V4R

Any thoughts on whether Ducati will bring back for 2022 the Panigale V4R?
I believe the last year of production was 2020.
Nothing in 2021.
Thanks

The V4 was a failure and the V2 was just leftover junk parts from both V4/99. They need to bring back the 99 with a trellis frame, Motec electronics package and some top shelf parts.

My local dealer told me a month back that they have an R coming.

22 will have a euro 5 R

Mick1976 said:

The V4 was a failure and the V2 was just leftover junk parts from both V4/99. They need to bring back the 99 with a trellis frame, Motec electronics package and some top shelf parts.

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99 motor with the monocoque style frame would be interesting to see. I doubt Ducati will deviate from the V4 motor though, they've invested so much into it and they would probably feel way too embarrassed going back to twins for their superbike. Although a 99 that defies the laws of physics and revs out to like 18k would be awesome, lmao.

wonder why Mick doesn't join his people at ducati.ms...

Been a member on there for 15 years and not much happening there. You still on there?

CSV4 said:

wonder why Mick doesn't join his people at ducati.ms...

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Anyone here ridden an X85?

Honestly, I’m not a great rider probably not eve ya good rider compared to a lot of guys here, that being said the 1299 SL/FE with my tastes in mods is way more bike than I will personally ever be able to match is skills. I rode the V4 at Ducati Newport Beach quite a few times when they came out and again when the R came out. Those of you who know me definitely know cost is not a consideration on stuff but I was just never drawn to the V4.

It honestly didn’t do anything for me personally and I don’t think I would ever chose that for a platform if I had to have a 4 cylinder bike. I personally don’t think it’s leaps and bounds from an evolutionary perspective to the 99.

If I thought it’s was “the future” I would have built one but I feel the platform for me was just a different bike and not a positive departure from the 99 at least for me.

Great bikes and super smooth and fast but so is the new Honda and BMW. I do believe it’s way more expensive to go fast on the Ducati platform than it is on the competition. I think when the bike came out and we saw the rev range and power potential everyone thought that it was just going to walk away from things and it just hasn’t.

I think the other manufacturers have better platforms that are fare easier to mod, have far more factory support for racers and are less expensive to go fast on. The 99s to me are the pinnacle of Ducati development. Maybe the next gen bike will offer something different.

Mick1976 said:

The V4 was a failure and the V2 was just leftover junk parts from both V4/99. They need to bring back the 99 with a trellis frame, Motec electronics package and some top shelf parts.

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How is the V4 a failure like lol that strong to say..

endodoc said:

Honestly, I’m not a great rider probably not eve ya good rider compared to a lot of guys here, that being said the 1299 SL/FE with my tastes in mods is way more bike than I will personally ever be able to match is skills. I rode the V4 at Ducati Newport Beach quite a few times when they came out and again when the R came out. Those of you who know me definitely know cost is not a consideration on stuff but I was just never drawn to the V4.

It honestly didn’t do anything for me personally and I don’t think I would ever chose that for a platform if I had to have a 4 cylinder bike. I personally don’t think it’s leaps and bounds from an evolutionary perspective to the 99.

If I thought it’s was “the future” I would have built one but I feel the platform for me was just a different bike and not a positive departure from the 99 at least for me.

Great bikes and super smooth and fast but so is the new Honda and BMW. I do believe it’s way more expensive to go fast on the Ducati platform than it is on the competition. I think when the bike came out and we saw the rev range and power potential everyone thought that it was just going to walk away from things and it just hasn’t.

I think the other manufacturers have better platforms that are fare easier to mod, have far more factory support for racers and are less expensive to go fast on. The 99s to me are the pinnacle of Ducati development. Maybe the next gen bike will offer something different.

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.... now thats deep right here, but I agree with your Statement Other manufactures have great platforms like the new Honda fireblate triple R absolute BEAST! My buddy got it and its a platform that just works with the rider its cheap to mod and loads of power!!! his is making 205whp with Bolt ons… another bike is the M1000RR!! great chassy and just waiting for my other buddy to get passed the 600 mile Service to see what it can actually do! Both of these bikes cheaper to mod… but so is the 1199 or 1299 right now, now V4 im still not convinced on moving to a new gen Ducati,, also I dont know if I’d go for the V4R or the regular V4



also just rode a new 2021 R1 and that thing is an amazing machine it feels so planted in corners… the brakes do suck, but brembos can fix that.

If you havent woken up to the fact that at this level its all about personal preference, then you're a lost cause. It's rider, rider, rider when it comes to speed around a track until you get two riders who are good then maybe its minor differences between the gear. Otherwise its chocolate or vanilla, I personally love the twin and as I have said a few times I was keen on the 4, I believe its a better overall package technically but the twin is a far riding better experience. The other thing is that now that Ive put a zillion miles on it I can feel every tiny difference, I know the bike and its quirks. Jumped on an MT 10SP just before lockdown and it was horrible, bland and uninspiring yet all the mags rave about them.

endodoc said:

Honestly, I’m not a great rider probably not eve ya good rider compared to a lot of guys here, that being said the 1299 SL/FE with my tastes in mods is way more bike than I will personally ever be able to match is skills. I rode the V4 at Ducati Newport Beach quite a few times when they came out and again when the R came out. Those of you who know me definitely know cost is not a consideration on stuff but I was just never drawn to the V4.

It honestly didn’t do anything for me personally and I don’t think I would ever chose that for a platform if I had to have a 4 cylinder bike. I personally don’t think it’s leaps and bounds from an evolutionary perspective to the 99.

If I thought it’s was “the future” I would have built one but I feel the platform for me was just a different bike and not a positive departure from the 99 at least for me.

Great bikes and super smooth and fast but so is the new Honda and BMW. I do believe it’s way more expensive to go fast on the Ducati platform than it is on the competition. I think when the bike came out and we saw the rev range and power potential everyone thought that it was just going to walk away from things and it just hasn’t.

I think the other manufacturers have better platforms that are fare easier to mod, have far more factory support for racers and are less expensive to go fast on. The 99s to me are the pinnacle of Ducati development. Maybe the next gen bike will offer something different.

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I guess the one thing to point out is the V4R absolutely did walk away from things during the beginning of it's racing career. WSBK had to lower its rev limit to make it "fair" because Bautista was obliterating Rea. HSBK was forced to add like 25lbs to their V4R racebike back when PJ was on it because MotoAmerica thought it was too unfair.

I think the V4Rs success is limited by the politics of racing. It unfortunately came out during a period when racing is more about maintaining sponsorships and following the $$$ than seeing what the true limits of riders and machines are.

That being said, you're right in the sense that the amount of money to reach that level of performance from the bike is more than most people would ever be willing to spend.

endodoc said:

Honestly, I’m not a great rider probably not eve ya good rider compared to a lot of guys here, that being said the 1299 SL/FE with my tastes in mods is way more bike than I will personally ever be able to match is skills. I rode the V4 at Ducati Newport Beach quite a few times when they came out and again when the R came out. Those of you who know me definitely know cost is not a consideration on stuff but I was just never drawn to the V4.

It honestly didn’t do anything for me personally and I don’t think I would ever chose that for a platform if I had to have a 4 cylinder bike. I personally don’t think it’s leaps and bounds from an evolutionary perspective to the 99.

If I thought it’s was “the future” I would have built one but I feel the platform for me was just a different bike and not a positive departure from the 99 at least for me.

Great bikes and super smooth and fast but so is the new Honda and BMW. I do believe it’s way more expensive to go fast on the Ducati platform than it is on the competition. I think when the bike came out and we saw the rev range and power potential everyone thought that it was just going to walk away from things and it just hasn’t.

I think the other manufacturers have better platforms that are fare easier to mod, have far more factory support for racers and are less expensive to go fast on. The 99s to me are the pinnacle of Ducati development. Maybe the next gen bike will offer something different.

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Intersting perspective. Having now spent time (track only really) on both the v4 and 2015 R, I find myself torn. They’re both quite good. The R feels a little more nimble (likely due to the 1” shorter wheelbase), and punchier (low end torque), and a bit less refined, but the family heritage is there.

My R has significantly higher-end components than my v4 (FGR superbike forks for example), and a little more power (205 vs 195 on the dyno), but the on-track experience isn’t night and day different between the two - I really enjoy both but probably enjoy the v4 a little more.

I had the opportunity to ride a buddy’s nicely modified v4r at COTA recently. Surprisingly, although it was very fast (serious top end!), the power delivery wasn’t to my preference, and I like the 1103 motor better (it’s like the sweet spot between the top end biased v4r and the tractor pull torque of the v2r).

And regarding the v4 “walking away” from everything, remember the start of the 2019 wsbk season - Bautista was 8 for 8 race wins over the first 4 rounds and was winning by big gaps iirc. Then the boardroom racing caught up with him and wsbk limited the v4 rev range by like 500 rpm, and Rea started winning again. Coincidence? I don’t know, but it’s an interesting correlation. Also, I have been repeatedly told by instructors on the other liter bikes (Apes, gixxers, r1’s, and kawi’s), that I leave them on the straights despite intentionally short-shifting and not going full throttle to avoid being “that guy”. During coaching sessions, they all say very matter-of-factly, “You left me on the straight - you’re on a Panigale v4.”, as if it’s a forgone conclusion. Lol

Others mileage may vary.

Edit - Mav replied while I was typing.

Mick1976 said:

Been a member on there for 15 years and not much happening there. You still on there?

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Sometimes... seems like they're more into the trellis frames and things like that.

Paul G said:

… at this level its all about personal preference… It's rider, rider, rider when it comes to speed around a track until you get two riders who are good then maybe its minor differences between the gear. Otherwise its chocolate or vanilla…

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This ^^^

We’ll it’s going to turn into a pissing match at some point. My point was besides the 99s there isn’t a hyper performance twin so if you want a twin, it’s a Ducati 99. If you want a 4 cylinder bike, there are a bunch to choose from. I don’t have any desire for a 4 cylinder bike so for me, case closed. I wasn’t at all trying to compare the two.

Yes that's correct the bike is no better then the 99 in fact its worse and has more issues. Take a trip to any dealer take a quick peek see how many of them are stacked up waiting for repair or parts in fact half of them they can't even figure out what is wrong with them its a mess and has been for years.

Vicati said:

How is the V4 a failure like lol that strong to say..

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Yeah both MS and .ORG has been more focused on the trellis bikes for many years and still is.

CSV4 said:

Sometimes... seems like they're more into the trellis frames and things like that.

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Consider he's advocating for a $20k electronic package to be standard equipment.