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To tell you the truth i hope it hasn't. I always ride my BM with traction off because the wheelie control is a pain in the arse as you don't get forward motion. I like to pin the throttle and i'm no wheelie expert but I'm cool with my front wheel hovering above the the tarmac by a couple of foot rather than pogo'ing up the road
 
I love the the front end slightly off the ground under power, I was hoping the Ducati had it implemented in such a fashion, 8 levels of control, that you could choose the approximate height off the ground. Something smoother than the BMW's have.
And of course, it would be nice to turn off!
 
turnone said:
I love the the front end slightly off the ground under power, I was hoping the Ducati had it implemented in such a fashion, 8 levels of control, that you could choose the approximate height off the ground. Something smoother than the BMW's have.
And of course, it would be nice to turn off!
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lol, thats cheating :p in that case i want it set a 4 foot ;)
 
Traction control is wheelie control. The electronics compare front and rear wheel speed and if the rear starts speeding up relative to the front, it intervenes. Both spinning the rear and lifting the front look the same to the TC cpu, as soon as the front starts lifting it starts slowing while the rear is accelerating. My current 1198S will lift the front wheel about a foot before it sets it back down.
 
Ducati's have had a non-accessible rate of change wheelie control since 2009.
I've spoken to some people at Ducati North America about it and they either deny it or don't know about it.
But the existence of hidden wheelie control has been confirmed by key people.

Too bad it can't be turned off.

In my opinion it's just more nanny control and more surrender of freedom.

My streetfight doesn't set the front back on the ground it cuts power and slams the front down - abruptly!
 
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Hey Flynbulldog is that with traction control on and what setting.. i'm new to traction control as you dont need it on an 848. If you turn if off i suppose it will wheelie as per normal. i was talking to a wheelie nut last Saturday who loves his 1198 ..he has his set at 3 but he never mentioned bad intervention.. and in your picky what setting would you be running there?
 
Sorry pogly the wheelie intervention works even with the DTC set to off. you cannot turn it off.
Even the 848 has wheelie control. Because it is a rate of change system you can wheelie if you do it slowly - like with a power wheelie.
But if you try to clutch it up like most stunt guys do the engine will cut.

On bikes with DTC wheelie control will be more pronounced as you set the DTC above 3, at 6 you can't even power wheelie.

I almost always ride with my DTC off.

I know that the SBKs and the SF all have wheelie control. I don't know if any of the air cooled bikes do.
 
Thanks for that flynbulldog... I know the panegale is going to need some learning but looking forward to it.
 
flynbulldog said:
Sorry pogly the wheelie intervention works even with the DTC set to off. you cannot turn it off.
Even the 848 has wheelie control. Because it is a rate of change system you can wheelie if you do it slowly - like with a power wheelie.
But if you try to clutch it up like most stunt guys do the engine will cut.

On bikes with DTC wheelie control will be more pronounced as you set the DTC above 3, at 6 you can't even power wheelie.

I almost always ride with my DTC off.

I know that the SBKs and the SF all have wheelie control. I don't know if any of the air cooled bikes do.
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Good info chap.

The 1199 electronics are supposed to be thoroughly integrated, so I think we can expect a less obtrusive experience.
 
If I were Ducati I'd have paid a lot of attention to keeping the front wheel from getting too high and making sure it sets down easy. Every time I see pics of the naked monocoque I can't help but think of the upward force on those two front studs from a hard drop from a high wheelie. There's no long, flexy trellis or twin spar to soak up those jolts; just a super-rigid AL box, so there's a LOT of force going straight into those two front contact points between the monocoque and the head. Which are two of only four points holding the whole thing together. Think about it...

http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/009_Superbike_1199_injection.jpg
 
Whellie control is a bunch of crap ! My wheelie control is in my right wrist . If I can't turn this function off I will be truly dissatisfied ! Functions like this take rider skill out of the equation ! Some people shouldn't be riding bikes that are this powerful. I see too many squids on liter bikes, mostly jap bikes though.
 
The odd thing is that it doesn't seem like my MTS has the same wheelie intervention as the Streetfighter.

Since the 1199 will have a Siemans ECU similar to the MTS I'm hoping that wheelie control is either very subtle, or even better, not included on the pani.

We'll find out soon. ;)
 
Aside from the hooligan pleasure of picking the front end up around school yards and hospitals (kidding), I take immense satisfaction in being able to control the throttle and keep the front hovering. Not being able to do either of these will take a lot of pleasure out of riding for me. It might even make me think twice about my order. Who wants a bike that you can't wheelie? BS!
 
Thats an interesting point about the new frame and how it will stand up to the front coming down with a thump... 1198 wheelie like mad according to a freind of mine.. the panegale is something different again.. it was a bit of a shock to see the factory how it all fits around the motor... major engine work means the bike comes completley apart.. no taking the motor out of the frame...?
 
I wouldnt be getting to worried yet, as from this shot it doesnt seem as if wheelies are going to be a problem
 

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flynbulldog said:
Sorry pogly the wheelie intervention works even with the DTC set to off. you cannot turn it off.
Even the 848 has wheelie control. Because it is a rate of change system you can wheelie if you do it slowly - like with a power wheelie.
But if you try to clutch it up like most stunt guys do the engine will cut.

On bikes with DTC wheelie control will be more pronounced as you set the DTC above 3, at 6 you can't even power wheelie.

I almost always ride with my DTC off.

I know that the SBKs and the SF all have wheelie control. I don't know if any of the air cooled bikes do.
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i've never heard of any wheelie control :confused: my r will wheelie with dtc turned on or off and in any setting....watch jeremy mcwilliams wheelie the entire straight on the 1098r while filming the launch video. If attempting to wheelie the bike and i snap it in second gear it sometimes won't go up because i reckon the dtc detects wheel spin and cuts the fun, but if i roll it up gently it'll hang there.....that said bully i never use the clutch either

Pogley said:
Thats an interesting point about the new frame and how it will stand up to the front coming down with a thump... 1198 wheelie like mad according to a freind of mine.. the panegale is something different again.. it was a bit of a shock to see the factory how it all fits around the motor... major engine work means the bike comes completley apart.. no taking the motor out of the frame...?
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give it some time down the track and see what feedback we get about this chassis. I'm more eager to find out how these things will fare in a crash
 
Just read review from latest AMCN, talks of 'accelerometer backed traction control'. Is this a different TC system (not refined but totally new) to 1198 SP? I see no front wheel speed sensor or any other cables not associated with brake lines on 1199. How will this fare with the theory of TC acting as a form of wheelie control due different wheel speeds between front and rear?
Also does anyone know how different the S model tested at Yas with the termi pipe and no mirrors is if at all to production model?
I've also noted from photos at first test there are different bar end weights, the tested bikes bar ends are grey and larger, publicity photos though show black bar ends and much smaller, very interesting I say..smoothness.
Cheers all.
 

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