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overpitch said:
Just read review from latest AMCN, talks of 'accelerometer backed traction control'. Is this a different TC system (not refined but totally new) to 1198 SP? I see no front wheel speed sensor or any other cables not associated with brake lines on 1199. How will this fare with the theory of TC acting as a form of wheelie control due different wheel speeds between front and rear?
Also does anyone know how different the S model tested at Yas with the termi pipe and no mirrors is if at all to production model?
I've also noted from photos at first test there are different bar end weights, the tested bikes bar ends are grey and larger, publicity photos though show black bar ends and much smaller, very interesting I say..smoothness.
Cheers all.
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So any takers with information on the above questions..? I'm very curious to hear if anyone who was there has to say 'bout it all.

Cheers.
 
Overpitch - jolly observant of you re bar ends, good man! Could be down to Ducati's "just-in-time" production line, that wasn't, err, well, just-in-time for the demo fleet :p

My understanding of the electronics package and TC, is that their totally integrated. To me, this means Ducati have employed controls that are proactive, rather than simply reactive.

If we consider a reactive TC system, once traction has broken, corrective actions are pretty limited - brake wheel or cut-ignition, which make for an intrusive rider experience.

Interestingly, if the new system now employs acceleration sensors, it would have a new found ability to predict and manage traction breaking scenarios, before stuff started getting loose.

Nice :)
 
In their May issue, Motorcyclist says that the 1199 has no wheelie control? Do you think that is just in Race mode, or is there no wheelie control regardless of mode/DTC level?
 
NoGoodID said:
In their May issue, Motorcyclist says that the 1199 has no wheelie control? Do you think that is just in Race mode, or is there no wheelie control regardless of mode/DTC level?
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Ducati has always claimed that there is no wheelie control on their bikes but there is undoubtedly wheelie control and it has been privately confirmed by people in the company.

So, they will tell you no wheelie control but they are hiding the facts. The magazines just report what the company tells them.

The information I have is for 848 1198 and SF, I don't know about the bikes with the Seimans ECUs
 
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I felt no wheelie control on my test ride, in race mode it wheelies great :)
Wheelie control that you can't turn off, sucks.
 
i've ridden the bike in all modes, in race modes it will definitively come up, but how far?
anyone with hard facts? a limiter at a certain point? i am too lazy to go through the manual... or to contact ducati...
 
flynbulldog said:
Ducati has always claimed that there is no wheelie control on their bikes but there is undoubtedly wheelie control and it has been privately confirmed by people in the company.

So, they will tell you no wheelie control but they are hiding the facts. The magazines just report what the company tells them.

The information I have is for 848 1198 and SF, I don't know about the bikes with the Seimans ECUs
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My 1198SP has Marelli ECU and it definitely doesn't have any sort of vertical electronic wheelie control. I HAVE spun the cold rear tire at the initial throttle poke and the DTC cut the power while the front wheel was up slightly(confirmed by DTC indication light), but it will smack you in the face if you just yank the throttle open on a warm tire. That said, it does have a lateral acceleration sensor to counter wheelspin earlier when leaned over. Maybe this is what is misconstrued as wheelie control? I can see how it could be, especially if the sensor package were loose or mis-aligned slightly.

My 1100SP Hyper has the Seimens ECU and it has NO electronic nannies at all, so rider beware!
 
Phil said:
i've ridden the bike in all modes, in race modes it will definitively come up, but how far?
anyone with hard facts? a limiter at a certain point? i am too lazy to go through the manual... or to contact ducati...
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... or try it out ... :eek:

thanks Rich!
 
Basically I have noticed that when I bring up the wheel slow on a power wheelie, for example: rolling on the throttle in second gear from a relatively low rpm around 5,000 and then when the bike hits 8,000 it comes up relatively quickly, but not violently... the wheelie control wont kick in. But if I go in the same gear at 8,000 rpm around where the max torque is at and crack the throttle hard, the DTC will sense that it has come up too fast and will intervene and bring it back down. But I have been able to hold a second gear wheelie for a bit of distance as long as it does not bring it up too rapidly.
 
Yeah Right

flynbulldog said:
Ducati has always claimed that there is no wheelie control on their bikes but there is undoubtedly wheelie control and it has been privately confirmed by people in the company.

So, they will tell you no wheelie control but they are hiding the facts. The magazines just report what the company tells them.

The information I have is for 848 1198 and SF, I don't know about the bikes with the Seimans ECUs
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Just like the Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot, Jurassic Park, and all the other fables which "have been confirmed by secret people" somewhere. This frigging BS has gone on long enough. There has never been, and still isn't, any damn "wheelie control" on the frigging 1199 until you reach 155 mph! This isn't the BMW where it's advertised. But if you want to believe it has this stupid option you go ahead. But those who know someone, who knows someones cousin Vinny, that swears it has it - can STFU!
 
good 2 know. confident powerwheelies in the first 3 felt so controlled... had to ask! because in sport mode it just wasn't the same, so back to race...
 
will some one with the skills just stand one up on a "fly by" on the back wheel.
for the purpose of reserch of course.
I could give a 1-2-3 power wheelie 8" off the ground - no skills required
if it would ever stop raining in melbourne GRRR- could be months
 
flynbulldog said:
Ducati has always claimed that there is no wheelie control on their bikes but there is undoubtedly wheelie control and it has been privately confirmed by people in the company.

So, they will tell you no wheelie control but they are hiding the facts. The magazines just report what the company tells them.

The information I have is for 848 1198 and SF, I don't know about the bikes with the Seimans ECUs
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The moon landings were faked too

Hidden wheelie control a Ducati conspiracy

Are you for real?
 

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