Which one of you crashed?

I was not pushing it much was basically just staying behind the friend on the R1

Regarding the front straight. I was not being aggressive at all and waited to get by a dip in the track where the banked straight meets the inside line. If you watch the video that Gixxer is on the gas wide open on the exit and I was not. This was an early morning run and I never run hard first off in the morning until I get my juices flowing and get in the groove. I know the difference between a race and a track day. It's never a good idea to push too hard on a track day...there are no trophies LOL

After watching the video several times I noticed that I must have been accidentally hitting the +/- toggle switch (which was set to change engine braking) It flashes/changes settings on the screen several times during the laps and I was not intentionally doing it I usually run the engine braking in the #1 setting because when it is off completely it can cause too much braking effect at the rear wheel when you let off. (these big twins have a LOT of engine braking)
As much as I would like to blame the crash on some coolant I now think it was just a stupid mistake on my part. I ran in too deep and was lazy/slow to turn it in early enough and it looks like I did try to over correct the line. However it came around so fast and it was a total shock to me. This is one reason I thought the coolant might have been an issue..It happened REAL fast... It sure felt like I hit something slick all of a sudden..I have been riding a long time and never had such a violent reaction like that. I have had the rear step out often on my old ZX10 (see Avatar) and it was predictable but this was just like BAMM and I was flying.. Oh well live and learn

Update after watching the video again several times I realized that there were quite a few different dynamics going on tha tled up to the high side. a lot of it was of course my fault coming in too hot and running wide but also other stuff ihad not mentioned before read on ..other remarks..

Speedy

DynastySS said:

Few things:

1.) So glad to hear you are alright. Bikes are cheap, your health is what is important.

2.) that Gyrocam is ....... awesome. I want one.

3.) I hate to be the back-seat racer here, but at 4:17 you can hear exactly what caused the highside. You quickly picked up the throttle with a ton of lean angle left.

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Ducati's are NOT cheap four pieces of plastic and an aluminum handlebarwill cost $1700.00

speedy14 said:

Ducati's are NOT cheap four pieces of plastic and an aluminum handlebarwill cost $1700.00

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I know your pain, I endo'd my bike in May

That said, as someone who has had a $500,000 medical bill from an accident on the track before, trust me when I say $1700 is cheap in the long run.

How did you mount that gyro cam by the way?

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How did you mount that gyro cam by the way?

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I haven't had chance to use my MotoGyrovision on my 1299, but have installed a ball mount in anticipation. I used a couple of 3/4" washers, a 1/4"-20 1" Ram Ball.

One washer goes on top and the other underneath the steering stem cap. I was able to install it using a couple of 1/4" socket extensions without having to remove the front wheel or mudguard.





On my 1098, I used heavy duty velcro on my Nichols triple clamp.

I don't try to be a besserwisser, but here is a demonstration hint why the rear spun so quickly. Take any rear wheel drive car and a quiet parking lot. Drive a circle with even gas, tight, but you don't need to squeel tires. Hit the gas and at the same time tighten the circle with turning in steering wheel. In the second round make the same and with widening the circle.

Result? Then think about supercar power, equivalent to Panigale. Yep, opening throttle and turning in tighter at the same time is not a good idea. TC can not alter the laws of physics, as good as it is in modern superbikes.

Edit: one more thing. I've put the clutch (and brake) lever down from original position. It caused clutch lever to push +/- button. Speedy, if you've done the same, you might want to check lever/button clearance.

Raaseri said:

I don't try to be a besserwisser, but here is a demonstration hint why the rear spun so quickly. Take any rear wheel drive car and a quiet parking lot. Drive a circle with even gas, tight, but you don't need to squeel tires. Hit the gas and at the same time tighten the circle with turning in steering wheel. In the second round make the same and with widening the circle.

Result? Then think about supercar power, equivalent to Panigale. Yep, opening throttle and turning in tighter at the same time is not a good idea. TC can not alter the laws of physics, as good as it is in modern superbikes.

Edit: one more thing. I've put the clutch (and brake) lever down from original position. It caused clutch lever to push +/- button. Speedy, if you've done the same, you might want to check lever/button clearance.

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Good input There are lots of theories about why I went down I figure it was my fault (maybe with the help of something slippery) but I evidently did something different on that lap because I have gone around the outside of others many times. Good point about the + _ lever.. Maybe that was an issue Personally I cannot see any real advantage for the ability to change any parameter while riding on a track (maybe the street where you have more time to concentrate) You have enough on your mind as it is just trying to be stable and fast..LOL.. Oh well It looks like I will be on crutches for another 6 to 8 weeks come this Monday anyway.. Got to have an operation on my right foot Evidently I fractured the instep bone and the doc says that if I don't get it operated on it could be real serious issues later. The funny thing is it doesn't even hurt right now even when I walk on it However my ankle is pretty swollen and the ankle is sore.. I guess I just cant bounce back at the age of 61 like I could when I was in my 30's or 40's LOL

Sometimes my mind writes check my body can't cash!

Speedy

Trauma said:

Best crash write up ever! To Nola's comment, maybe he got off as soon as he realized, but had already mader 4 laps. I can't believe any serious rider would continue riding, even if alone for fear of damage to his bike.

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He didn't know it was leaking until the corner marshal flagged him in.

Trauma said:

Best crash write up ever! To Nola's comment, maybe he got off as soon as he realized, but had already mader 4 laps. I can't believe any serious rider would continue riding, even if alone for fear of damage to his bike.

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He didn't know it was leaking until the corner marshal flagged him in.

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In the video, as the bike is lying there in the grass idling, it's almost like it's saying "Com'on, get back on, let's do some more racing - heeeeellllooooo? Where are you???? " lol

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There is no more getting back on that bike to go racing until it gets a new handlebar and rear peg etc..

where do I buy this gyro mount?

A lot of people may be finding fault in things you did in T10 but I'd say the root of this incident was the pass. Instead of passing immediately out of the apex of T9 you hesitated a couple beats.

That meant you were off the line/tight and fast going into T10 which forced you wide. Even if you'd held it together through T10 I'd guess you would have blown T11. Maybe to the point of exploring the grassy area outside T11 that has a reputation for bending peoples' wheels.

Glad you are ok to share your story.

can you post some picture of the damage on the bike , interested to see how the t rex protectors saved you bike . Thanks

Glad you are ok for the most part. Bikes can be rebuilt/fixed.

Also glad to see TWS still has those nasty tar snakes from way back....I did in 2010 once, never went back, preferred other TX tracks to TWS.

Love the gyrocam mount....any links to that?

Jayhawkk said:

Glad you're okay and sounded a lot like my recent experience wadding my s1000rr up except it was all my fault. Watching the video versus what I remember happening is amazing. I remembered things that never happened.

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LOL. I guess that is a tactful way of telling me that it was my fault. You are probably right. I originally thought it was all my fault. The guy coming up afterward telling me his bike was leaking made me think it might noy have been all my fault. The bottom line is I was outside the regular line when I went down. I have no problem with accepting all the blame. Never did. However a friend that was following me had a video and it so shows me running in hot and wide and of course going down. If you see that video you will notice ANOTHER rider way further out than I was and he had no problem making the turn. I m tired of discussing it. Bottom line is I crashed. Screwed up the front cowl. Side fairing and a Handlebar. NowI have to get my right foot operated on and will be on crutches for 8 weeks so no more track days this year.
Now I'm kind of wishing I had kept my 2011 ZX 10.
I always wanted a Ducati and was so excited to get my "dream bike" but mine has given me nothing but service /running issues And when I finaly got it running the way it SHOULD HAVE FROM THE BEGINNING I cannot ride it for months. It always had ...... throttle response and would not want to run very well at all unless it was above 5000 rpm! The dealers mechanic tried different throttle body settings etc. He told me that it would run much better with the optional slip on'a from DucAti and their special "up mapp". Well I was desperate to get it right. I had to purchase a $3500 Ducati slip on and that did nothing to really help. Even with the factory magical " up mapp". Many weekends up at the shop trying to get it running right. Two different dyno sessions. Many hours of the mechanics time trying to get it right so. NOTHING worked satisfactorily until I got the RapidBike Racing module. Then it completely transformed the way it runs. Now due to a track mishap I and the bike are out of running order. I am bummed out. I have spent over $32k plus on this bike and finally got it right but then crashed it. I should have kept my ZX10. It always ran great and didn't require all the BS I went through. I love the way the Duc sounds and handles but if I had had any idea of all the ........ I would have to go through I would not have bought it. I should have bought the Beemer. But I always dreamed about a Duc. Too bad I have not had much luck with this one. The Ducati dealer has been great and bent over backward to help me but the Ducati factory really sucks as far as backing up their product.

Speedy

Glad you're okay! its amazing how you guys ride so close with each other and no brake light or such. I always afraid that I'd run into someone or have someone runs into me just riding on the street with all the lights. Maybe I'll get a cheaper bike and start hauling it to a track 3-6hrs away from home. It looks so fun

DynastySS said:

I know your pain, I endo'd my bike in May

That said, as someone who has had a $500,000 medical bill from an accident on the track before, trust me when I say $1700 is cheap in the long run.

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How does one go about paying a medical bill that big? is it covered by insurance?
can you pay in instalments?
As a british citizen obviously i get NHS so al i have to pay for is medication should i need it. i cant even imagine ending up with a bill for half a million dollars.

Why is everyone constantly trying to fix the bike below 5000rpm? I don't know that mine has ever even been below 5k RPM. If you bought this bike to totter around on the street with you're going to have a bad time.

Thanks for a really valuable post and glad you're Ok!
Crashing is part of learning and we all will or have eventually. Key is to walk away with your health and having gained some from the experience weather it's ones own fault or otherwise.
Also appreciate the real talk for all of us on the financial and healthcare implications.

After having a 90k bill from my last ER/ trackway visit bottom line is bikes can be replaced and rebuilt at pennies in comparison.. And if you don't have really great healthcare then none of us has any business even laying eyes on one of these sexxxy beasts..

speedy14 said:

I was not pushing it much was basically just staying behind the friend on the R1

Regarding the front straight. I was not being aggressive at all and waited to get by a dip in the track where the banked straight meets the inside line. If you watch the video that Gixxer is on the gas wide open on the exit and I was not. This was an early morning run and I never run hard first off in the morning until I get my juices flowing and get in the groove. I know the difference between a race and a track day. It's never a good idea to push too hard on a track day...there are no trophies LOL

After watching the video several times I noticed that I must have been accidentally hitting the +/- toggle switch (which was set to change engine braking) It flashes/changes settings on the screen several times during the laps and I was not intentionally doing it I usually run the engine braking in the #1 setting because when it is off completely it can cause too much braking effect at the rear wheel when you let off. (these big twins have a LOT of engine braking)
As much as I would like to blame the crash on some coolant I now think it was just a stupid mistake on my part. I ran in too deep and was lazy/slow to turn it in early enough and it looks like I did try to over correct the line. However it came around so fast and it was a total shock to me. This is one reason I thought the coolant might have been an issue..It happened REAL fast... It sure felt like I hit something slick all of a sudden..I have been riding a long time and never had such a violent reaction like that. I have had the rear step out often on my old ZX10 (see Avatar) and it was predictable but this was just like BAMM and I was flying.. Oh well live and learn

Speedy

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Speedy, fwiw, I have seen the same happen right in front of me mid corner on a few occasions. For no apparent reason. I guess .... just happens to the best of us. Speedy recovery. Btw I'm on a zx10 , awaiting a 1299 and am also unsure if it's the easier race bike to ride and if I'm doing the right thing.

Crashing is part of the learning curve don't let it get you down it sucks at the time but you learn from it .
Going over the process of crashing and why is also very normal I still go over crashes in my head that happen years ago but now know how to avoid the same thing as best I can .
The Panigales will be rewarding stick with it . All the best for future track time .