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mgivogue said:

I'll say this final thing - extreme left or right is bad for the world...just like any other extremist movement.

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fully agree. "extremist movement" in my world also includes DEI/other trans agendas and money laundering at mass scale.

Now tell me, is trudeau a Fidel Castro's son ?

panibadboy said:

fully agree. "extremist movement" in my world also includes DEI/other trans agendas and money laundering at mass scale.

Now tell me, is trudeau a Fidel Castro's son ?

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quite possibly...he's not been very popular in Canada for some time now - nobody is sure how he got re-elected last time around.

I agree with you about the DEI/trans movement but probably not in the way you do. I think people should be allowed to do what they want as long as they do not force their agenda on others. Money laundering - that's a bad one too but is so strongly ingrained in all levels of government in all countries...almost impossible to get out. Checks and balances to limit it as much as possible - I agree. The way Elon Musk is doing it though is going too far and too open to corruption - I don't know about you, I wouldn't want Musk to have free control of all my personal data...he has enough already! For that matter, anyone who has not gone through the security clearance process for a specific piece of data (like Musk and his team) should not be permitted to have that data. Their trying to access it should, using existing laws, result in them being arrested...but rule of law seems to no longer exist in US government Glad I'm not American

Pani is nothing but a Russian shill clothed in a “Swiss” lederhosen.

All this DEI/woke nonsense is a smoke screen for more nefarious activities. Culture wars are just there for the idiots to fall for it and get riled up. If you can’t figure out that you be a big dummy

panibadboy said:

US has invaded Iqaq under false pre-text of never existent WMD and helped to kill its leader.
US has invaded Afganistan

That's just recent events. Not talking about NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

I just gave you example of Cuban missile crisis. A sovereign nation decided to join a military alliance on the border of the US and deploy ICMBs. You know how it ended ? or you were not even born when this happened ?


the rest what you wrote is a silly black and white european take, completely irrelevant and on the level of "summit on peace" at most luxurious Bürgenstock

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Russia can never be an empire without the breadbasket that is Ukraine. And Putin will never stop to achieve this. If we allow Fat Donnie to get his way and force Ukraine to cede the captured territory to Russia, Putin will just sit, fortify his captured area's and replenish his arms. Then he'll come again. Two fronts. From his eastern captured territory and from Belarus. If we leave Nato, he'll be into Poland. I think the Europeans can win sans nukes. But it will be a long and destructive war.

The EU does have nukes...but of course much less than the USA or Russia. Of course, the number of nukes in Nato sans USA could increase if the US were to leave Nato.

SuperDomestique said:

Pani is nothing but a Russian shill clothed in a “Swiss” lederhosen.

All this DEI/woke nonsense is a smoke screen for more nefarious activities. Culture wars are just there for the idiots to fall for it and get riled up. If you can’t figure out that you be a big dummy

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That's the top of your creativity? Call Russian everyone who opposes leftist point of view? Looks like not much changed since hillary lost the elections and biden's son happily had sex with underage girls

baggerman said:

Russia can never be an empire without the breadbasket that is Ukraine. And Putin will never stop to achieve this. If we allow Fat Donnie to get his way and force Ukraine to cede the captured territory to Russia, Putin will just sit, fortify his captured area's and replenish his arms. Then he'll come again. Two fronts. From his eastern captured territory and from Belarus. If we leave Nato, he'll be into Poland. I think the Europeans can win sans nukes. But it will be a long and destructive war.

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Oh my grandpa

You again been binge watching Rambo 2?

panibadboy said:

Looks like not much changed since hillary lost the elections and biden's son happily had sex with underage girls

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That's the top of your creativity?

panibadboy said:

Oh my grandpa

You again been binge watching Rambo 2?

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Wait and watch it unfold sonny. Putin's a thug. Hopefully, no more American's get sacrified yet again defending European freedom.

SuperDomestique said:

That's the top of your creativity?

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What's up mate?

panibadboy said:

That's the top of your creativity? Call Russian everyone who opposes leftist point of view? Looks like not much changed since hillary lost the elections and biden's son happily had sex with underage girls

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It was weird how Jeffrey Epstein managed to hang himself while in the custody of Fat Donnie's DOJ. Convenient for the known associate of Epstein. And the laptop disappeared. Fat Donnie has made comments about banging his own daughter. One has to wonder if he has. He'd tried to put Gaetz, who is known, to have been banging underage girls into his cabinet. To hook Fat Donnie up? The Fatser is known for having a little short one. So he probably perfers young girls.

baggerman said:

Wait and watch it unfold sonny. Putin's a thug. Hopefully, no more American's get sacrified yet again defending European freedom.

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Can't care less grandpa, we have nuclear bunkers in every house here. What matters is whether you alive when shiet hits the fan or not

panibadboy said:

Can't care less grandpa, we have nuclear bunkers in every house here. What matters is whether you alive when shiet hits the fan or not

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No strategic sites any where near where am I. One of the reasons I live here. Hope I never see it. Get an armoured radiation suit so you can ride no matter what.

I voted to MDGA(dc): Make Ducati Great Again (dry clutch)!

panibadboy said:

What's up mate?

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baggerman said:

Wait and watch it unfold sonny. Putin's a thug. Hopefully, no more American's get sacrified yet again defending European freedom.

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Sorry baggers but you are wrong. All this propaganda about Trump, Putin etc is all bullshlt, those leaders represent their countries. Putin in no more a thug than Biden, Obama or GW who killed lotsa poor brown people for plunder and territory, assassinated foreign nationals on their home turf and dont even mention the genocide on your dime . The EU elite maggots are totally losing it because Donnie is saying- no more protection, you need to pay up. The Europeans want this war to continue because it serves their political purposes, create a big bad enemy yada yada yada.. those braindead evil zombies would encourage corrupt Zelensky fight to the last Ukrainian. Its 'bout time they called the whole thing off.

DV4 said:

Sorry baggers but you are wrong. All this propaganda about Trump, Putin etc is all bullshlt, those leaders represent their countries. Putin in no more a thug than Biden, Obama or GW who killed lotsa poor brown people for plunder and territory, assassinated foreign nationals on their home turf and dont even mention the genocide on your dime . The EU elite maggots are totally losing it because Donnie is saying- no more protection, you need to pay up. The Europeans want this war to continue because it serves their political purposes, create a big bad enemy yada yada yada.. those braindead evil zombies would encourage corrupt Zelensky fight to the last Ukrainian. Its 'bout time they called the whole thing off.

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Sorry but I don't agree with all you say.

Putin and Trump do represent their country...and it shines a poor light on both. Both countries are now both protectionist and expansionist - for Russia this is nothing really new but it is sad to see the US going this route as well.
The EU have been lazy historically since ww2 and every country should increase it's defence capabilities and work even more closely together to reduce the reliance on the US.
But, I think you're talking out of your ass if you think Europeans want the war in Ukraine to go on. They do however do not want Russia to restart their expansionist movement and are doing everything they can to get things back to the status quo without putting troops on the battlefield. The problem here is similar to the US...civilian voting populations do not want to increase government spending on the military despite the glaring need.
One thing you did not mention in this message is also the corruption - yes, there is corruption in all this. Around half (if quotes from Zelensky are correct) of US aid to Ukraine did not arrive there...the question is who is skimming off the top. Also...there is a well know corruption in Ukraine - so there is that as well.

But in the end, IMO, if we "call off the whole thing" as you say the result will be that Ukraine capitulates and becomes a hostile country to the EU. It would also probably end up with at least 10 years of gorrila warfare similar to what was seen in Vietnam. Russia on the other hand would take advantage of time to restock, rearm and retrain its military before moving on to the next country in 2-4 years - probably a country like Moldova. This would continue till the EU, Nato or other major alliance joined in to prevent this from continuing which would result in a new world war...I don't think even Trump or his MAGA followers would think this is a good idea - do you?

mgivogue said:

for Russia this is nothing really new but it is sad to see the US going this route as well.

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pretty much can ignore all your text past this point. Its pure ignorance.