1199 clutch problem - its official

Xbox said:

Understood dude

I got really bad pins and needles in my right hand also, but put it down to old age

Glad your off on your stag, your "throttle" wrist should get a proper rest if you do it proper

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Likewise, but right foot. Wonder why its the right hand side?

PaddockStand said:

Likewise, but right foot. Wonder why its the right hand side?

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Dunno but the left mirror for example is clear as a bell at any speed the right one isn't! I noticed it today because of sore wrists after doing too many miles if I'm honest. If you take your left hand off, the right hand gets worse, I guess the left hand is having a dampening effect on the bars.

Didnt notice it for the first 200 miles. It could just be me though, i was knackered today. Maybe it will go away nearer 11k

I wonder if aftermarket grips might help.

Ok news on the clutch problem and it gets even more odd!

Spoke to the dealer Friday, now I won't be picking the bike up until Wednesday and so I will know more detail then but the problem wasnt the scotch brite one it appears. There was water in the clutch?!!!

Now I had to cut him short as I had another call but I'm yet to find out whether he means in the fluid, or crept past the seal on the master cylinder or what. But not what I was expecting!

My full termi system is on too and he said that he needs my slip-ons upload map before he can do the full system one, so anyone taking their 1199 for a full system, take your upload map dongle. The other thing was I pre-warned him about the full system burning the panels. He said the heat shield needs to be cut down to make it fit and therefore I am guessing any dealers that don't know that would not be able to fit it and would leave it out and then it will burn the panel. Wouldn't you kinda think Ducati / Termi would supply it with a modified shield ready to fit?

Anyway so Wednesday we will find out if the clutch is now ok, how the bike feels and sounds with the full system on and how good it looks without that cheap ass standard chain and a nice gold DID race chain on instead.

A set of gold Gilles Tooling rear sets in July and I'll be happy......for now!

Have the same problem going on myself. Works good one minute, crunchy and grindy the next

Got the Sticky and creaking clutch problem about a month ago, definitely heat related as its summer here in our country, left the bike out parked in the sun after a 200km ride. Clutch fluid also became dark. brought it to my dealer and the fix was to change the clutch fluid to a higher grade one ( motul) then greased the rod on the clutch slave cylinder... that solved the problem...

full termis will definetly burn the right lower side panel, put a larger rubber grommet and heat foil on the the underside of the fairing , also check the tolerances of the header with the fairing where it sticks out, got my fairing burned the second time after the tech erroneously put back the fairing during installation of my aftermarket clutch cover...

Clutch problem bit me today, almost stranded me. 3000 miles on the bike too.

Basically, cruised the highway into town- hit a few lights, engine temp was 215-220f for some time and the clutch started to get a ratchet feel, and engagements were much less smoothe. It finally stuck disengaged about 4 lights later. Had to pull off and Mess with it. Pumped the lever multiple times and finally got it to engage the clutch so I could ride it home on the highway, with no stops.

I'll give the dealer a shout on Tuesday. I might just take it apart myself, as it's a pain in the ass to get it to the dealer.

Louis

I did switch my slave and I've been doing better. I think I only had to bleed it a couple times because there was still air from swapping the sc .

I had an issue as well after a 250 mile ride Sunday. I was coming home and noticed the gears didn't change quite as easily. I didnt think much of it at the time.

Then sitting at a stop light I had to pull the clutch all the way to the grip to switch into first, and the engagement point was about 5mm off of the grip.

Is this the same issue? The bike was definitely hot, I had a 50 mile ride back on the highway, then sat at a few lights before I was home.

I am had both the MC and slave replaced on the bike, and have had to bleed it 5 times since purchasing it last Sept. I am in the dealer every other week and it's getting old as it feels like I should be on a Desmo given how much time it's been in the shop. The shop said the bike runs so hot that it affects the brake fluid and hence all the problems. I have 5,000 miles on it now and it's going back in next Friday for brake upgrades so that might help. Love the Duc, but if I more issues with the clutch after next week I'm going for CA lemon law and getting a 2013........or will buy a Desmo and just plan on spending more time at the shop.

I have that exact same problem. It's definitely heat related. It started to happen after I did my first track day of the season on this bike. It happened after a couple of sessions. The symptoms were as follows.

1. The clutch felt hard to pull and wasn't smooth. It's as if the bolts were rusty of something. I would describe the clutch as sounding crunchy.
2. There's a grinding / crunching sound coming from what appears to be inside the engine.
3. When the bikes been off, sometimes I can still get the crunch sound and clutch lever feel if I pump the lever. That was the only way I could prove it to the techs.
4. The clutch appeared to still work as I was able to finish the day.

The bike is at Ducati Seattle and they are trying to figure out what's wrong. They just said they solved it, but I'm not sure of all they did was a bleed and this issue will be back. And yes, this bike has been in the stop quite a bit.

bleed the clutch fluid and upgrade to a high grade clutch/brake fluid as the extreme heat on the bike degrades the oem fluid. grease the rod on the clutch slave, that should solve the problem, no need to change to a new master cylinder and clutch slave..

24 hours of cool down, and you would never know there is an issue with my clutch. Feels fine, rides fine.

There is a material expansion disconnect in the slave/piston assembly. The piston has to be expanding and seizing in the bore of the slave when it gets hot.

Louis said:

24 hours of cool down, and you would never know there is an issue with my clutch. Feels fine, rides fine.

There is a material expansion disconnect in the slave/piston assembly. The piston has to be expanding and seizing in the bore of the slave when it gets hot.

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yup that's why you need to put grease on the clutch slave rod coz it expands when hot, too tight tolerance.

EvoL said:

I had an issue as well after a 250 mile ride Sunday. I was coming home and noticed the gears didn't change quite as easily. I didnt think much of it at the time.

Then sitting at a stop light I had to pull the clutch all the way to the grip to switch into first, and the engagement point was about 5mm off of the grip.

Is this the same issue? The bike was definitely hot, I had a 50 mile ride back on the highway, then sat at a few lights before I was home.

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This exactly whats happening to mine, pulling lever in right to the bar and as you,ve said the bite point is about 5mm off that.
Have you had it sorted? im ringing the dealer now as im off to Assen GP in 10 days so it needs to be sorted.

RoccaDucco said:

Have the same problem going on myself. Works good one minute, crunchy and grindy the next

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Been to the dealer twice. First, all they did was bleed the system. I picked up the bike, 10 minutes later, it happened again. Dropped it off at another Ducati dealer. They said can't find anything wrong. Rode it home, on the way home happened again.

How it's back at the dealer. Dealer is saying they can't replicate. Looks like a hard problem to diagnose and prove.

Not sure what to do next. I guess I'll keep riding it around near the dealer then when it happens I swing right in.

mjbmd2010 said:

yup that's why you need to put grease on the clutch slave rod coz it expands when hot, too tight tolerance.

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Is this something that is pretty easy to do at home?

JONAH said:

This exactly whats happening to mine, pulling lever in right to the bar and as you,ve said the bite point is about 5mm off that.
Have you had it sorted? im ringing the dealer now as im off to Assen GP in 10 days so it needs to be sorted.

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Dealer tomorrow for that as well as new forks.

mjbmd2010 said:

yup that's why you need to put grease on the clutch slave rod coz it expands when hot, too tight tolerance.

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The greasing and cleaning has nothing to do with the tight manufacture tolerances. Tight tolerance is tight tolerance, no matter if you grease it or not. For 1199 Owners with tight tolerance issues - the clutch master gets stiff. Meaning the metal expands with the heat which greasing will not cure.

Only cure for tight tolerance problems or stiff clutch action is: Remove your piston slave, scotch brite it and apply a metal polish compound to polish the cylinder walls. Once Polished, apply heat resistant grease onto the cylinder slave, dab a bit on the rod end and add a thin fillm of grease on the long rod. Then, re install.

A must to replace stock original clutch fluid to Motul's DOT 5.1 RBF600 brake fluid which has a higher boiling point.

With that all done, problem will be solved 100%. Iv'e done these myself on my previous Ducati's in the past.

Had "similar" problem with my Panigale "S" when I first got it. It had a "Creaking" sound but never felt stiff. Creaking sound was dryness...and lots of dirt. Infact I showed my bike to Ducati Manila's CEO - Toti Alberto. He felt my clutch and heard the creaking sound...he said to bring it in.

I decided to work on it myself. So I simply removed my clutch slave and cleaned all the filth and grime coming from the front engine sprocket. Regreased all parts as mentioned above, replaced my clutch fluid, now have more than 9,000kms and never had the problem since. I do this every 4,000kms though due to the location of the slave which is in front of the sprocket..thus, Slave cylinder captures dirt so easily.

I just replace my clutch and Brake fluid from time to time as I do lots of tracktime. Frequent trackdays degrades your brake, clutch fluid and engine oil too. So I replace them often. Never had issues since...

mjbmd2010 said:

bleed the clutch fluid and upgrade to a high grade clutch/brake fluid as the extreme heat on the bike degrades the oem fluid. grease the rod on the clutch slave, that should solve the problem, no need to change to a new master cylinder and clutch slave..

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My brake fluid was black, I've only owned the bike for 2.5 months.

Had it changed to DOT 5 high temp fluid, will see how this goes. Clutch fluid is also blake and needs to be changed.

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mig1199 said:

A must to replace stock original clutch fluid to Motul's DOT 5.1 RBF600 brake fluid which has a higher boiling point.

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Silly question, but clutch and brake fluid are the same thing???