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For your info and discussion.

From my discussions with our dealer here in Scotland prior to ordering an R, the 15% mid range increase applies to all 2013 bikes (base, S, tri & R) achieved by a general remap to address the complaints that the 1199 lost too much mid compared with the 1198. This is confirmed if you look at the full termi system power curve compared with OEM which shows an increase at top and bottom end but very little change at mid. Some may argue that the mid range change IS due to the engine mods on the R but that's not what I found. I'd be surprised if the mods don't make a difference but if they do Ducati aren't publishing them (all four models are quoted with the same power and torque on the website). I'd be interested in comments on this point

What I know for a fact is the R is shipped to the dealer with a stock exhaust fitted. This is to allow the bike to be certified compliant with emission (i.e. cats) and noise regs. In Europe at least, Ducati can't ship the bike with the full system fitted as it's not CE marked. The termi race system is supplied in a box along with the rest of the race kit (screen, mirror blanks). If you want the 5% power increase then you have to ask your dealer to fit the exhaust and carry out the UP MAP to RACING EVO, same as any other 1199, and that's a six hour job. This may be different outside Europe but I'd be surprised if it is.

One thing I don't know and would be be grateful of feedback on is whether the UP MAP removes the 300km/hr speed limit on the 1199, since as I have neither the road or the bottle to take it to that speed, I may never know otherwise.

So why did I buy an R....... 'cause its gorgeous!!!!

Cheers RB
 
So am I reading the R has the same HP as al the others, just the 215 R HP with a full Termi got published some places, and is not peculiar to the R.
 
Beastie said:
For your info and discussion.

From my discussions with our dealer here in Scotland prior to ordering an R, the 15% mid range increase applies to all 2013 bikes (base, S, tri & R) achieved by a general remap to address the complaints that the 1199 lost too much mid compared with the 1198. This is confirmed if you look at the full termi system power curve compared with OEM which shows an increase at top and bottom end but very little change at mid. Some may argue that the mid range change IS due to the engine mods on the R but that's not what I found. I'd be surprised if the mods don't make a difference but if they do Ducati aren't publishing them (all four models are quoted with the same power and torque on the website). I'd be interested in comments on this point

What I know for a fact is the R is shipped to the dealer with a stock exhaust fitted. This is to allow the bike to be certified compliant with emission (i.e. cats) and noise regs. In Europe at least, Ducati can't ship the bike with the full system fitted as it's not CE marked. The termi race system is supplied in a box along with the rest of the race kit (screen, mirror blanks). If you want the 5% power increase then you have to ask your dealer to fit the exhaust and carry out the UP MAP to RACING EVO, same as any other 1199, and that's a six hour job. This may be different outside Europe but I'd be surprised if it is.

One thing I don't know and would be be grateful of feedback on is whether the UP MAP removes the 300km/hr speed limit on the 1199, since as I have neither the road or the bottle to take it to that speed, I may never know otherwise.

So why did I buy an R....... 'cause its gorgeous!!!!

Cheers RB
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-- reading through your comments:

-- for the USA, the 1199r will arrive the same way as in Europe....the race exhaust "in a box" which would then require approximately 6hrs to install and include a re-map that comes with or is downloaded by the dealer (or it comes on a memory stick included in box?)

-- from what i learned, the race exhaust is a full system, headers and mufflers, made of stainless steel, with a titanium sleeve on the mufflers...and it comes with a baffle insert as well - this is basically how other R models have arrived in the past....on paper, the gains are always hard to pinpoint - you'd need someone to dyno both set-ups simultaneously to see what was achieved....generally speaking there will be/should be a gain thru the midrange up thru top end...its always a good thing :)

-- if you haven't had the chance, check out Akrapovic, and the system they offer for the 1199 - Full Titanium (headers and mufflers) with carbon tips and front piece......"very nice indeed"!
 
Trauma said:
So am I reading the R has the same HP as al the others, just the 215 R HP with a full Termi got published some places, and is not peculiar to the R.
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Yep, it's the termis that lift the power to 201 HP, so according to Ducati's published figs, a base with the full system will have more HP at the crank than an R with the stock exhaust. In reality with the mods to the engine, the larger rear sprocket the higher rev limit and the same exhaust I'd be surprised if the R didn't dyno more at the rear wheel.

RB
 
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Trauma said:
Cool, so the R's RPM increase, allows lower gearing, keeping the same power band as a base (w/ matching exhaust set up)
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If I've understood you correctly, yes....

At the crank with the OEM exhaust, the power peaks under 11,000 rpm at 195 HP. With the termi full system it peaks at just over 11,000 tpm at 201 HP. According to Ducati this is the same for both the modified R engine and for the 'standard' engines fitted to the base, S and tri.

Where it counts is what is transmitted to the back wheel. With the larger rear sprocket and lighter flywheel the R will transmit more torque to the back wheel and hence will accelerate faster throughout the rev range than its siblings. Normally this would be at the expense of top speed as it risks hitting the rev limiter in 6th, but the R, as you say, revs higher.

The stock panigale doesn't appear to be over geared and a base with the OEM exhaust will hit the speed limiter at 300 kph before it hits its 11,500 rpm rev limiter and this with 'only' some 170-180 HP to the rear wheel. Given the R revs higher then that should compensate for the change in final drive ratio allowing it too to hit 300 kph before it hits its 12,000 rpm rev limiter.

The extra power the full termi system provides at the top end would allow all models of the bike to travel slightly faster but only if the UP MAP removed the 300 kph speed limit.

Whether the R's other engine mods give further benefits over and above acceleration is pure speculation until someone dynos them side by side but I for one think that Ducati has done something extra special with the R, and whilst its not a quantum leap over its siblings, I don't think that's a poor reflection on the R rather a positive reflection on the other Panigale models.

RB
 
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Beastie said:
If I've understood you correctly, yes....

With the smaller rear sprocket and lighter flywheel the R will...
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Make that "with a Larger Rear Sprocket" -

R = Front sprocket 15; Rear sprocket 41

Base/S/Tri = Front sprocket 15; Rear sprocket 39
 
Wow, I was gonna trade my S in for an R, looks like I just be changing the rear sprocket instead...............lol
 
Ummm, hmmm....well I bought an R last weekend only for racing so for those interested...

I have a base ABS 1199 that I am keeping as a canyon bike.

I will dyno the base with stock exhaust vs. the R in two weeks; after some break in and oil change on the R.

I also ordered the LONG manifold for my R so I will dyno that as well and provide all details for all to see.

It would appear that there is about 10 lbs difference between the stock system and the full Termi but I will weigh this when I take the full system off to replace the manifolds with the LONG "R" version. I did the install myself and it was easy but did take ALL day - I was very careful.

Like all of you, I am quite curious about the power differences and swingarm pivot as well.

I plan to test this R, on track, against my 1098 race bike.

I will also do some testing with Dunlop and Michelin slicks on both bikes and post my impressions, that will be a couple of weeks away as well.

I've only got 8 miles on the bike right now....it took several days to switch over all the parts like rearsets, titanium bolts, sprockets, engine guards, etc...

-Brian, WERA # 125
 
-- Go Brian ! good luck with the season - your interest in posting your findings will be appreciated - all the weight differences, dyno, your feel for tire impressions, and the full feel for the swing-arm pivot will be great to read - thanks in advance !
 
So far, after 400 miles of canyon riding on the R I can tell small but significant differences from the base 1199 ABS. First off the Ohlins suspension is really quite good and I have a TTX Mkii Ohlins on the base already. The R is more composed and I feel as though I am actually a bit quicker on the R than the BASE mostly because of the improved Ohlins fork.

I will dyno my base against the R after I get the long manifold for the R. I won't have that for a couple of weeks.

So far, I think the R as a superstock, twins superstock, twins superbike, formula 1 and a superbike race bike has been a really good choice.

I don't plan to make any mods to the R that take me out of contention in those classes but I will do absolutely everything else.

I ordered Ducati Corse bodywork and that will take a few weeks.

I have already swapped over all the titanium bolts (swingarm, rotor, caliper), set up the suspension for my weight and set each mode RACE, SPORT, WET with three different suspension setups I have found that work......, will install Michelin Power slicks to try 12/69 front and 20/69 rear, MW folding levers, Magnetti Marelli 4 position left-side race bar switch, Ducati Corse sprocket carrier, DID 520 ERV3 chain, lightweight 15/41 gearing, race seat, stomp grip, Ducati Performance rearsets, removed the kickstand (with spacers and kickstand eliminator switch). Removed the dust seals on the forks and I have some race compound brake pads from Brembo.

Next on the list is Ducati Corse LONG manifold and Ducati Corse carbon race bodywork...the same stuff they use in World SBK!

What's really cool about THIS bike versus any other I have owned/raced is that it appears to be MUCH closer to race ready than any of my previous race bikes, which include 2004 Kawasaki ZX-10R, 2008 Ducati 1098, 2009 Yamaha R1. I have a full exhaust, which was included, and some bolt on bits and other than a possible revalve on the front fork compression, I'm pretty much all set except bodywork, which everyone has to do.

With my 1098, I needed full suspension, triple clamps, a flat rate link, a special ecu with custom mapping for the exhaust and the list goes one. It's almost like they took a REAL 1098R race bike and started with that as the reference point for this new 1199R.

No it's not night and day different than the S but it's worth every penny....an S is something like 22k in the US. By the time you buy a full exhaust and the carbon parts the R comes with there is only 2-3k difference and you get Pankl titanium rods, dlc coated rockers, lighter flywheel.....3 lbs light motor....which I can feel and I've only had mine to 9k a couple of times....

I have felt this before and I will reiterate it....the R/S is much stiffer feeling, seat of the pants, than the base. I will continue with my base as my street bike/canyon carver but if the R was to be my street bike I would only ride it on fast, smooth, very curvy roads. :)
 
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