1299 DQS - Any chance of an upgrade for 1199?

I'll preface my question with the admission that I have no idea of the DQS hardware/software components nor have I previously had a bike that had a quickshifter of any type . . . in short I am probably going to ask a really stupid question . . .
If you have to have DQS it may as well work on downshifts as well as upshifts.
Is there any chance of a upgrade for the 1199 or is it Ducati marketing/sales strategy to dangle it as a carrot to tempt you to buy the new bike?

Being an engineer of tractors and construction machines for many years we have had electronic sensing systems since the 80s, the Ducati CEO calls it magic for me the bike is a long way behind any mobile vehicle with electronic aids, even a manure spreader in the late 80s had load sensing!
We have been able to update and incorporated into the more recent ECUs addition systems via PC, for example in 1997 we had a Ford Cosworth CPU running the hydraulics on a 8210 Ford Tractor, it was only using a fraction of its capability, I don't know how the downshift system works but if its only blipping the throttle to take the load of the transmission I reckon they could incorporate the downshift into the old ECU, but I guess they won't, but maybe someone out there can do it if there is no need for additional hardware.

Now I have a question. They say that ABS now works on corners, but didn't it work on corners before as it senses from the wheel, a wheel spinning sends the signal no matter the lean or steering angle its still going to sense a wheel lock up when the wheel speed falls below a given parameter no matter the angle or lean, so why now do they say it has cornering ABS?

farmind said:

Now I have a question. They say that ABS now works on corners, but didn't it work on corners before as it senses from the wheel, a wheel spinning sends the signal no matter the lean or steering angle its still going to sense a wheel lock up when the wheel speed falls below a given parameter no matter the angle or lean, so why now do they say it has cornering ABS?

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Easy enough.

Assuming equal diameter wheels, the differential in wheel speeds will vary depending on cornering angle. Your front wheel takes a wider arc through a corner than the rear which means it's turning faster relative to the rear. As the angle of the arc decreases the difference in track is minimized (i.e. at straight lines, given equal diameters, the wheel speeds are essentially equal).

"Cornering ABS" would imply a lean angle sensor and an algorithm that factors in lean angle when determining when to activate the ABS

The ECM also now has the tires shape programmed into it as well. Obviously as you lean over the diameter of front and rear tires changes.

The stock Mitsubishi ECM is reflashable. It's just a matter of getting Ducati to release a flash upgrade for the ECM and a shiftrod upgrade. I'd email a Ducati USA rep and let them know you're interested in such things.

They seem to like selling aftermarket upgrades. I don't see why they wouldn't want to offer an upgrade kit.

Buliwyf said:

The ECM also now has the tires shape programmed into it as well. Obviously as you lean over the diameter of front and rear tires changes.

The stock Mitsubishi ECM is reflashable. It's just a matter of getting Ducati to release a flash upgrade for the ECM and a shiftrod upgrade. I'd email a Ducati USA rep and let them know you're interested in such things.

They seem to like selling aftermarket upgrades. I don't see why they wouldn't want to offer an upgrade kit.

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+1. And inevitably the tuneboys and rexxers of the world will duplicate and improve upon it too.

I don't really care about the downshift assist, I like blipping the throttle myself (especially when I get it just right), and when I switch to my other bike I'll suck at riding it when I start relying on all these gadgets

The cornering ABS I would love to get though, I don't know if the 1199 has a lean sensor already, actually scratch that, I think the new more advanced ABS is new hardware, both aprillia and BMW advertise their bikes having a brandnew Bosch unit for ABS. and they both have 'cornering ABS'

The new ABS unit is about half the size of the previous version, in addition you'll need the IMU and the wiring to go with it. Unlikely it will be possible or viable to fit the new set up to a pre 2015 bike.

With money, what you want is possible. I'm sure that all these additions can be retrofitted.

What you want to know is if it is economical to add these new features on pre-2015 Panigales.

You can change ECUs, sensors, gyros, etc. By the time you are done, you might be better off getting a new 1299 with a (fresh) warranty.

BadBoyBeltran said:

With money, what you want is possible. I'm sure that all these additions can be retrofitted.

What you want to know is if it is economical to add these new features on pre-2015 Panigales.

You can change ECUs, sensors, gyros, etc. By the time you are done, you might be better off getting a new 1299 with a (fresh) warranty.

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Precisely

Charliem90 said:

Easy enough.

Assuming equal diameter wheels, the differential in wheel speeds will vary depending on cornering angle. Your front wheel takes a wider arc through a corner than the rear which means it's turning faster relative to the rear. As the angle of the arc decreases the difference in track is minimized (i.e. at straight lines, given equal diameters, the wheel speeds are essentially equal).

"Cornering ABS" would imply a lean angle sensor and an algorithm that factors in lean angle when determining when to activate the ABS

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So when current abs system kicks in in the mist of cornering, it still works,just that it will be too intrusive?...or less.....?