1299SL - pics on MCN today

Some more pics of the 1299SL posted on MCN today MILAN SHOW: Ducati 1299 Superleggera ? excess all areas | MCN

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I think for the insane price they are charging and profit they are making, they could have added more carbon fiber bits to make it even more lighter and barely added much more to their personal cost. A carbon fiber tank would have cost them maybe $1-3,000 more than the cost of aluminum (MAX), and dropped the weight even more.

They could have added more carbon bits and pieces that can go a long way, except they want to be greedy and charge $80k usd, which is not a small amount in Canada btw. Yet, they dont even have gas charged ohlin suspensions, or ceramic breaks and rotors. This company is like Apple..

Look at the technology Mission Motors was offering, and the cost.

Yes i am a bit disturbed by the lack of cf tank and fairing stay, especially since aftermarket for those are already available.
If I were to make one....


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jagducativ4 said:

I think for the insane price they are charging and profit they are making, they could have added more carbon fiber bits to make it even more lighter and barely added much more to their personal cost. A carbon fiber tank would have cost them maybe $1-3,000 more than the cost of aluminum (MAX), and dropped the weight even more.

They could have added more carbon bits and pieces that can go a long way, except they want to be greedy and charge $80k usd, which is not a small amount in Canada btw. Yet, they dont even have gas charged ohlin suspensions, or ceramic breaks and rotors. This company is like Apple..

Look at the technology Mission Motors was offering, and the cost.

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So I am guessing you will not be buying too many Apple or Ducati products.

Sometimes it's not as easy just replacing aluminum with carbon fiber/magnesium on this piece and that.

The weight bias, between front and rear, must be maintained, so sometimes lightweight parts, although nice, wouldn't work from a performance/handling perspective.

So the engineers sometimes dictate what can be replaced and what cannot if there will be a negative impact.

I like the weight and HP numbers but I don't care for the wheels and the exhaust. Oh yea....and the price.

@chrisE true, they also added some extra weight at the rear with the new exhaust and already take out some front weight with the lack of underbelly mufflers. Good point.
It just felt awkward and unfinished to me. It is supposed to be The CF Bike, but having some that could've been cf but not cf

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Had a good look around the bike at EICMA today, and was really wanting to be bowled over.
Afraid the matt paint job detracts so much from bike that I came away completely underwhelmed. The first time I was in a room with the original SL, it was a far more involving experience.

Technical advancements aside, would much rather own the first SL or a D16. It just didnt seem "special" at all.

It's really discouraging for sure how Ducati over the years has increased there price on the R models and cut way back on the carbon parts. I remember when you could get a 999R with all fairings in carbon for $30k. It's sad that a 1199R is $40k and only comes with couple carbon bits. Sounds like the SL won't be much better.

Still needs rearsets, still needs forks, still needs good levers. Yawn. Ducati has cheapened their brand to a pathetic extent. The fact that you have anything from a stock bike on a $100,000 model is absurd.

jagducativ4 said:

I think for the insane price they are charging and profit they are making, they could have added more carbon fiber bits to make it even more lighter and barely added much more to their personal cost. A carbon fiber tank would have cost them maybe $1-3,000 more than the cost of aluminum (MAX), and dropped the weight even more.

They could have added more carbon bits and pieces that can go a long way, except they want to be greedy and charge $80k usd, which is not a small amount in Canada btw. Yet, they dont even have gas charged ohlin suspensions, or ceramic breaks and rotors. This company is like Apple..

Look at the technology Mission Motors was offering, and the cost.

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Ducati would source carbon tanks for under $500 a piece, probably not much more than what the aluminum ones cost them to source.

Mick1976 said:

It's really discouraging for sure how Ducati over the years has increased there price on the R models and cut way back on the carbon parts. I remember when you could get a 999R with all fairings in carbon for $30k. It's sad that a 1199R is $40k and only comes with couple carbon bits. Sounds like the SL won't be much better.

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1098R used to be what... $40k when it came out?
1198R corse edition was $40k.
1199R was $30k...then $31. They were technically an R but most considered the 2013 and 2014 R's to be a slightly modified S models. 2015 and 2016R $34k. I don't see how Ducati has increased their pricing on their R models. You may want to get your facts straight first.
And let's not even get into the value of a dollar from 8-10 years ago compared to now.

Fact that you can get a Panigale R which has tech specs from the 1199SL for $34k is a ...... bargain and I'm 99.9% certain current owners would agree with me on this.

The 1299SL isn't for everyone. It's for the 500 lucky owners who see the value in their future purchase in more ways than just cost. Agree on Ducati's strategy and pricing or don't. It really doesn't matter. I can also guarantee that none of the future 1299SL owners give 2 ..... about monetary value.

I was primarily implying that the bike prices have gone up and now lacking parts. I have a 16 1199R and it was $40k otd so I don't know where your coming up with $31k. The huge price increase for some titanium parts in the motor and half plastic bike is definitely nothing like it used to be.

double0 said:

1098R used to be what... $40k when it came out?
1198R corse edition was $40k.
1199R was $30k...then $31. They were technically an R but most considered the 2013 and 2014 R's to be a slightly modified S models. 2015 and 2016R $34k. I don't see how Ducati has increased their pricing on their R models. You may want to get your facts straight first.

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Mick1976 said:

I was primarily implying that the bike prices have gone up and now lacking parts. I have a 16 1199R and it was $40k otd so I don't know where your coming up with $31k. The huge price increase for some titanium parts in the motor and half plastic bike is definitely nothing like it used to be.

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Prices I'm quoting are MSRP prices, not out the door.

1098R was $40k before taxes and other fees.
1198R same.
1199R 2013 and 2014 models were $30k and $31k.

Your 2016 R model is $34k. How much YOU or anyone else paid out the door is irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that if ANYTHING, R prices have gone down since the 1098R was released.

What you were specifically referring to was the R models, not Ducati's lineup or bikes in general. Since you don't seem to be able to read too well, I doubt you'll understand any of my points since you're relating my $31k quote with the Panigale R models. And if you feel you're being shortchanged by Ducati for receiving plastic parts and missing components, then you can relate that to the $6k less you have paid for your R over the 1098 and 1198R models when they released. With the money you saved, go buy all the carbon bits you want since none of the current tech on your bike seems to matter nor do you see any value in them. Not sure how you think there has been a hugeee price increase.

Yeah I guess I forgot to wear my BAMF shirt today. I will go take some reading classes and get back to you once I become a expert.


QUOTE=double0;266174]Prices I'm quoting are MSRP prices, not out the door.

1098R was $40k before taxes and other fees.
1198R same.
1199R 2013 and 2014 models were $30k and $31k.

Your 2016 R model is $34k. How much YOU or anyone else paid out the door is irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that if ANYTHING, R prices have gone down since the 1098R was released.

What you were specifically referring to was the R models, not Ducati's lineup or bikes in general. Since you don't seem to be able to read too well, I doubt you'll understand any of my points since you're relating my $31k quote with the Panigale R models. And if you feel you're being shortchanged by Ducati for receiving plastic parts and missing components, then you can relate that to the $6k less you have paid for your R over the 1098 and 1198R models when they released. With the money you saved, go buy all the carbon bits you want since none of the current tech on your bike seems to matter nor do you see any value in them. Not sure how you think there has been a hugeee price increase.[/QUOTE]

double0 said:

Prices I'm quoting are MSRP prices, not out the door.

1098R was $40k before taxes and other fees.
1198R same.
1199R 2013 and 2014 models were $30k and $31k.

Your 2016 R model is $34k. How much YOU or anyone else paid out the door is irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that if ANYTHING, R prices have gone down since the 1098R was released.

What you were specifically referring to was the R models, not Ducati's lineup or bikes in general. Since you don't seem to be able to read too well, I doubt you'll understand any of my points since you're relating my $31k quote with the Panigale R models. And if you feel you're being shortchanged by Ducati for receiving plastic parts and missing components, then you can relate that to the $6k less you have paid for your R over the 1098 and 1198R models when they released. With the money you saved, go buy all the carbon bits you want since none of the current tech on your bike seems to matter nor do you see any value in them. Not sure how you think there has been a hugeee price increase.

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You do realize that over the years you are supposed to be getting MORE technology per dollar right? Ducati does the opposite. Thats his point. a 2001 Land Cruiser cost an extra $15,000 to add memory seats, navigation, backup camera and that .... all comes standard in a $15,000 car nowadays...As technology improves it is produced more therefore costs less per unit. His point is simple- Ducati has cheapened their brand image greatly, particularly with regard to their top level bikes. You know it and I know it. Fact remains the R's of the previous generations were truly different bikes. These things nowadays are nothing special, dime a dozen, a few easy add ons and they slap an R on it. Very sad. Overproduced and the market is flooded with Ducati's now. The novelty has worn off. Its really unfortunate.

Good lord they even cut corners on the new $100,000 Superleggera, just like they did on the 1199SL.

MdDuc said:

You do realize that over the years you are supposed to be getting MORE technology per dollar right? Ducati does the opposite. Thats his point. a 2001 Land Cruiser cost an extra $15,000 to add memory seats, navigation, backup camera and that .... all comes standard in a $15,000 car nowadays...As technology improves it is produced more therefore costs less per unit. His point is simple- Ducati has cheapened their brand image greatly, particularly with regard to their top level bikes. You know it and I know it. Fact remains the R's of the previous generations were truly different bikes. These things nowadays are nothing special, dime a dozen, a few easy add ons and they slap an R on it. Very sad. Overproduced and the market is flooded with Ducati's now. The novelty has worn off. Its really unfortunate.

Good lord they even cut corners on the new $100,000 Superleggera, just like they did on the 1199SL.

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Again.....he was referring to the R models specifically and not anything else. That said, you ARE getting more tech per dollar these days compared to previous R models and at a lower cost.

Name 1 other manufacturers top model bike that has gone down in price over the years like Ducati's R models have. Don't worry....I'll wait.

Current model R's are pretty damn close in spec to the 2014SL model. You may have a point on the current 1299SL model but that's not the comparison I was making here. Ducati steps into uncharted territory and experiments with bikes. They did it with the D16, the 1199SL and now 1299SL. Other manufacturers are following suit. The H2R was what... $60k because it was a supercharged monster that was fat as hell and relied on the boosted power? Aprilia's customize your own bike route is a great offer for that very small market and now BMW may be testing those same waters in the near future with their race model hp4 and who knows how much that's gonna cost. Let's not even mention the embarrassment Honda calls their premier model.

This is my first Ducati and by no means am I a fanboy nor am I loyal to any one brand. Ducati is putting a bike out there at an outrageous price and have done a phenomenal job with the end product in comparison to what's out there today. The price is set accordingly. Is it overpriced? Possibly. Does that mean it's not worth the purchase? Absolutely not. Majority of us on here will not buy one whether we can afford it or not but that doesn't mean the future buyers share the same views as some of us. It's a street legal race bike with a stupid power to weight ratio. The buyers who can outride the 1299SL in stock form will change out some of the components to the best .... out there anyway, no matter the cost of the bike. Putting out a race spec'd bike limits your potential buyers no matter how you dice it. Plus, it's not like the components on the SL are ..... Maybe some of the basic parts that are shared with the base model may be but those are minor parts. No one is gonna wanna drop $12k on some gas forks unless they're a pro racer. Including it from the factory would obviously increase cost.

MdDuc said:

Overproduced and the market is flooded with Ducati's now. The novelty has worn off. Its really unfortunate.

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I am just going to comment on part of your post about the market flooded with Ducatis now.

Back in the late 70's in Australia when I got my first big road bike (1976 Kawasaki Z900 A4) a Ducati was a lot more expensive than the Japanese big fours that were popular. A Ducati was considered a machine for a motorcycle enthusiast. Not just a commuter. One of the reasons for this was that the older Ducatis were not as reliable and needed more maintenance. Electrics were sometimes a particular problem.

I recall prior to buying my Z900 which I paid $1100 for, I tried to buy a 1973 Ducati 750S. It was being sold for $1800 at the time and the day I went to buy it, it was belting down rain. The 750S would not start. I suggested the owner bypass the chrome engine kill switch. He was sure that was not the problem and we pulled that thing apart on his verandah for about 2 hours. One week later after I had bought the Z900 he called me to say it was the kill switch. I had had the same problem on one of my minibikes years before.

It seems nowadays a Ducati superbike is not something that is just bought by enthusiasts. That can easily be seen by the type of questions people ask on this forum. Years ago a Ducati rider would know which way to turn a nut to loosen or tighten, know to check their oil, lube the chain, knew the difference between rake and trail and could do some basic fault finding.

Now because the Panigale is such a pretty bike, it has become very attractive to anyone that is image conscious. Anyone with money can now be an "enthusiast" and not know the first thing about motorcycles.

We still see evidence of this with people complaining about the idiosyncrasies of the Panigale and compare them to Japanese bikes made for commuters. They buy a highly tuned superbike optimised to go fast on a track and whine about the fact it gets hot and temperamental in city traffic.

When I am out on my 1199 I still do not see that many out and about but I think that about half the guys that I do see probably do not know how much pressure is in their tyres. And that is a pity for such a nice motorcycle as the Panigale.

bradp51 said:

So I am guessing you will not be buying too many Apple or Ducati products.

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Ducati premium products like the SL class, no. If they actually made the value more-so worth it, in my lifetime, perhaps. But I don't see them doing it, same goes to Ferrari and Lamborghini. Perhaps they don't want to "run out of idea's" for future premium releases, so they limit the current one. I see this in tech stuff especially. I can sure bet the next 1+ model that comes out will have a carbon fiber tank. But what else bothers me a lot about this model is, why couldn't they add a carbon fiber electronics holder section? That's about $1,000 USD or something max. It looks insanely beautiful, won't be an issue for those people who have to keep their bike "stock" for insurance purposes. They can add carbon fiber cylinder head covers but can't do the electronics holders, funny.
I know an insurance company I was dealing with were saying any aftermarket (even carbon fiber pieces) may and can for some reason avoid claims. But the electronics holder section is sure a beauty touch up and not much loss of weight in general.

Gas charged ohlins is a MUST in this price point.

Apple? Never, Android fan here.