2013 R V's 2015 R

does anyone have any real world track comparisons between the 2013/14 R model and the 2015 R

thanks
Regan

I look forward to that since I have 14, I know I could buy most the parts for less than it would cost me to trade up

I have been lucky enough to own both. I haven't taken the 2015 R to the track yet. But I can definately tell you that they are as different as night and day.

Can you be more specific with what you need to know?

Yeah I'd be keen to hear people's thoughts, will have mine soon enough though (next week) so can let you know whatever it is you want to know.

sean999r said:

I look forward to that since I have 14, I know I could buy most the parts for less than it would cost me to trade up

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Parts, like the SL motor? The motor in the 15 is nothing like the motoring our R's. You could do the suspension easy enough, but not the motor or the electronics package. That is why I am willing to take such a big hit on selling mine to get the 15! Wish I could swing both, cause I really love my 13 R!!!!!!

AKKutz said:

Parts, like the SL motor? The motor in the 15 is nothing like the motoring our R's. You could do the suspension easy enough, but not the motor or the electronics package. That is why I am willing to take such a big hit on selling mine to get the 15! Wish I could swing both, cause I really love my 13 R!!!!!!

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Everything can be brought up to spec quite easy.What do you think is so hard about it.my R is up to spec was realitively easy . Everything is available

+1, it's not magic...........

Hasn't the rake been changed to 24 Degrees from 24.5 Degrees on the 2015 ? That alone will make a big difference in the handling.

Speedy

AKKutz said:

Parts, like the SL motor? The motor in the 15 is nothing like the motoring our R's. You could do the suspension easy enough, but not the motor or the electronics package. That is why I am willing to take such a big hit on selling mine to get the 15! Wish I could swing both, cause I really love my 13 R!!!!!!

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Agreed the electronics, SL cams Valves Pistons + custom crank work come to around $4k, $2.5k Ohlins , $1500 auto blipper. I'd hate to even think what I'd loose trading up, probably $12-15k, with the existing 14 fully remapped I can't see the bike being night & day difference wait 1 more year of depreciation I could justify $14k for full Bikesport Magnetti Marelli system now my 14 bike would exceed stock 15

speedy14 said:

Hasn't the rake been changed to 24 Degrees from 24.5 Degrees on the 2015 ? That alone will make a big difference in the handling.

Speedy

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Rake kit came stock with the 14's already installed mine, move the front wheel approx 12mm closer to the radiator

Change the rake of my R as well . Cheapest mod I've done .

Mutt1979 said:

I have been lucky enough to own both. I haven't taken the 2015 R to the track yet. But I can definately tell you that they are as different as night and day.

Can you be more specific with what you need to know?

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How different the motor and electronic package is, i have read about it and know it's essentially the same motor as the SL but what does that mean in real riding terms,

It's the same with the upgraded electronics the 2013R package overall is pretty good and has saved me a couple of times but how much better is the 2015.

cheers

sean999r said:

I can't see the bike being night & day difference

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There wouldnt be, unless somebody is running a lap record pace.

I would be willing to bet a paycheck, if somebody runs 1:30 lap times on a '14, they will run 1:30 laptimes on a '15.

There isnt anybody on this board (myself included) who could say their lap times or race finishing positions are being "held back" because they are on a 14R instead of a 15R.

Sure, on a spec sheet, it is relatively easy to point out the differences. But in the real world, the only true thing that might make a difference in lap times is the auto-blipper. And even that is a stretch because while downshifting, you are braking hard (which has to be done whether you are pulling in the clutch or not). The auto-blipper frees up a little concentration, but it isnt necessarily faster. It is just easier. You still have to brake at the same spot.

On every track (except the ones with really long straights), my lap times on the R6 are within a 0.5-1sec of my lap times on the heavily modded RSV4.

I have been a member (or Moderator) on many motorcycle forums since 2007 and been a track instructor since 2008. It is impossible to count the times i have heard or seen someone "upgrade" to a bike that is 1-2 years newer and has "better" parts or more power (on the spec sheet), only to go to the track and run the EXACT same lap times...i mean down to the tenth. Of course they can always justify their purchase with reasons in their head, and the placebo effect is VERY strong with motorcycles. So as soon as they ride the bike they are going to come with all kinds of things it does better or faster etc...because they need to justify their purchase. But the lap timer doesn't lie (which is why we ALWAYS see people giving opinions on one bike vs another...but we NEVER see somebody posting actual lap times).

Unless somebody is winning World level races, the rider is ALWAYS the limiting factor.

sean999r said:

Agreed the electronics, SL cams Valves Pistons + custom crank work come to around $4k, $2.5k Ohlins , $1500 auto blipper. I'd hate to even think what I'd loose trading up, probably $12-15k, with the existing 14 fully remapped I can't see the bike being night & day difference wait 1 more year of depreciation I could justify $14k for full Bikesport Magnetti Marelli system now my 14 bike would exceed stock 15

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Come again? "SL cams Valves Pistons + custom crank work come to around $4k"

SL Cams - $ 750.00x2
SL Pistons - $10000.00x 2
Valves - $317.00x 4
Ben Fox crank - $599.00
Bearings - $167.00
SL gaskets - $146.00x2?

Ljuice26 said:

Come again? "SL cams Valves Pistons + custom crank work come to around $4k"

SL Cams - $ 750.00x2
SL Pistons - $10000.00x 2
Valves - $317.00x 4
Ben Fox crank - $599.00
Bearings - $167.00
SL gaskets - $146.00x2?

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You forgot to include labor, and the fact that doing all of this work would void the factory warranty which is a huge deal to most people. Not to mention the electronics and geometry changes as well.

Like someone else said, getting the 15R would be easier at the same price or a little more.

Ok $5,857.00 that's still far better deal than a upgrade trade.
My labour is free Former Duc Ferrari Porsche Mech Eng' here

Already have Steering inserts in & spent 10 mins adj s/arm to -4

Don't forget the 15R's increased offset

We are splitting hairs here, Clamps are already on my shopping list.

If you have 13-14R in my mind only I wouldn't take the $ hit to upgrade, if you want to go ahead it's your money.

100% agree with CHAOTIC, it's about making you feel good, I could never ride my bike to its full potential just like 90% of everyone else, it's all about passion feelings and what you want to do, however back to the original question I'd like to see MCN do a track comparison
14 v 15 R with LAP TIMES

sean999r said:

We are splitting hairs here, Clamps are already on my shopping list.

If you have 13-14R in my mind only I wouldn't take the $ hit to upgrade, if you want to go ahead it's your money.

100% agree with CHAOTIC, it's about making you feel good, I could never ride my bike to its full potential just like 90% of everyone else, it's all about passion feelings and what you want to do, however back to the original question I'd like to see MCN do a track comparison
14 v 15 R with LAP TIMES

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I was just bringing up the fact that it cost a little bit more. I for one wouldnt trade in my base for a 2015R. After all these races I see that its not the bike holding me back. It's fast enough and depending on the track, I have no problem keeping up with the fast guys. Its me. If I get another bike, it will be a B bike (2012/13 Base/S/R, depending on price). I have to refresh the engine at the end of the season, so I have looked at upgrading the base engine to SL/R spec. It's still cheaper than buying a new R. upgrade engine, BSD autoblipper and 24 degree rake kit and I'll have a pretty quick bike. I'm still debating spending all that money to upgrade those parts to SL/R spec. It's a lot of money.

reganc said:

How different the motor and electronic package is, i have read about it and know it's essentially the same motor as the SL but what does that mean in real riding terms,

It's the same with the upgraded electronics the 2013R package overall is pretty good and has saved me a couple of times but how much better is the 2015.

cheers

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When I came from the 1199 S to the R in 2014, the difference in engine feel was big. All the chat about lighter internals, quicker revving engine and enhanced gearing, they were right. But this just shifts the bar again, but this time the differences are much more pronounced. You would not believe how a twin can rev so high and so hard. Ask anyone with an SL about their engine, this is what you have in the new R.

In the real world, the gears are much, much taller. Pin the throttle and they are endless. But you do have to keep the revs up to get the best from it, I will concede that. I think third was good for over 140 mph the other week. What that also means, while out on a good road ride I rarely had to change out of 3rd and also very rarely do you have any full throttle moments, but I am still getting used to it as I haven't got that many miles on there yet. Chaz Davies himself said it could qualify for SBK in full road trim, it speaks for itself.

Wilkson hit the nail on the head with the geometry. This years suspension set up is soo much better, but relatively simple to achieve with the money. The electronic suspension was always a bug bear for me, so to have done away with that for me was the best option, less is definately more here.

Electronics aren't massively different, they were good before, they are good now. The addition of the wheelie control is worth it. It works well with none of the violent slamming down of the front end displayed by BMW on occasion but still you need to have a good handle on it as it won't nesseccarily pull wheelies for you if that's your intention, but it does keep the front down nicely when coming hard out of corners.

And the ABS still lets you dive well into corners while manouvering. But some of this is credit to the weight, or rather lack of it, it feels amazing. It's so responsive, hardly any input required to start to turn. Cornering ABS I haven't really tested yet, no track days as such, and I certainly don't ride hard enough on public roads to come close to using it.

The switch for changing settings on the fly is maybe a bit gimmicky, and if I'm honest way out of my league. It's reserved for track heros and pro's. Sure it's nice to have if you wanted to dial down and pop a wheelie for showmanship, then back on to continue down the road at pace, but that's about it.

I see people putting down that these two bikes cannot be that different, but let me tell you, I have owned and ridden both, they are definatley that different.

Also bear in mind though, sure you haven't got the latest biggest best R you can buy, granted. But in a couple of years, niether will I. Rather look at what you have got and that's a hell of a lot of 195 bhp, best looking and best sounding machine on the road and will out perform most bikes on the road today.