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I have very limited track days & only 1 season racing CCS Loudon NH, I did track days on my then CBR900RR yes a long time ago I was held back from fear of crashing my street bike as soon as I went racing on my SM KX500 on full wets I was suddenly battling 600 & 750 in top 3-5 positions simply because I didn't care if I crashed my near indestructible SM
So confidence is absolutely everything.
 
KX500 on roadcourse? haha - I had one of those, awesome for climbing sand hills, two stroke ass kicking power
 
I have very limited track days & only 1 season racing CCS Loudon NH, I did track days on my then CBR900RR yes a long time ago I was held back from fear of crashing my street bike as soon as I went racing on my SM KX500 on full wets I was suddenly battling 600 & 750 in top 3-5 positions simply because I didn't care if I crashed my near indestructible SM
So confidence is absolutely everything.

Agreed. In the beginning when I went from riding my street R1 to a dedicated ZX6R on the track I immediately went faster because I wasn't worried about crashing it.
 
KX500 on roadcourse? haha - I had one of those, awesome for climbing sand hills, two stroke ass kicking power

Thanks, It was a lot of fun long before SM took off, Wets were the only Tyres I good get to work on it because the SM craze had not took off, ended up getting a 2nd & 1st same raining weekend can't remember the CCS class structure first 2nd was against SS 750 limit, 1st was 600 limit open class.
The bars took all the crash damage, I did crash a lot ha ha
 
There wouldnt be, unless somebody is running a lap record pace.

I would be willing to bet a paycheck, if somebody runs 1:30 lap times on a '14, they will run 1:30 laptimes on a '15.

There isnt anybody on this board (myself included) who could say their lap times or race finishing positions are being "held back" because they are on a 14R instead of a 15R.

Sure, on a spec sheet, it is relatively easy to point out the differences. But in the real world, the only true thing that might make a difference in lap times is the auto-blipper. And even that is a stretch because while downshifting, you are braking hard (which has to be done whether you are pulling in the clutch or not). The auto-blipper frees up a little concentration, but it isnt necessarily faster. It is just easier. You still have to brake at the same spot.

On every track (except the ones with really long straights), my lap times on the R6 are within a 0.5-1sec of my lap times on the heavily modded RSV4.

I have been a member (or Moderator) on many motorcycle forums since 2007 and been a track instructor since 2008. It is impossible to count the times i have heard or seen someone "upgrade" to a bike that is 1-2 years newer and has "better" parts or more power (on the spec sheet), only to go to the track and run the EXACT same lap times...i mean down to the tenth. Of course they can always justify their purchase with reasons in their head, and the placebo effect is VERY strong with motorcycles. So as soon as they ride the bike they are going to come with all kinds of things it does better or faster etc...because they need to justify their purchase. But the lap timer doesn't lie (which is why we ALWAYS see people giving opinions on one bike vs another...but we NEVER see somebody posting actual lap times).

Unless somebody is winning World level races, the rider is ALWAYS the limiting factor.

holy .... many best thing i ever read on here (outside my own stuff lol). not only did i give a thanks i had to write how well you put this. its marketing thats it.
just end this thread after what he said like costanza go out on a high note. (seinfeld reference in case you missed it)
 
Let the flames begin....I'm actually thinking of trading my R in on an R1M.... Can't seem to get a Ducati dealer to take a 2013 in on trade.
 
Have you ridden the R1M yet? What do you like about it?

No, just what I've read. Didn't give it a thought until I read the compare in Road Racing World R1M vs S1000RR. At one point I wanted the HP4 comp.

Something about the mechanical simplicity of a Jap bike with Ohlins and carbon fiber. Plus I can set it up nicely for what the Akra slip-on would cost for the 15 R
 
Agreed. In the beginning when I went from riding my street R1 to a dedicated ZX6R on the track I immediately went faster because I wasn't worried about crashing it.

It is funny how worrying less induces more confidence. And in turn better performance.. I have the suspicion if I could afford a Desmo or an SL I wouldn't be any faster than on my base track machine..

Had a similar situation on a date the other night with a gorgeous chick-
Spent a ton of cash and true to theory it wasn't that much "FUN"
 
What the hell is it about all this R1M ......... I thought this was the Ducati forum. enjoyed reading the thread and the different views about 13 R vs 15 R. I agree with Mr Chaotic about the limiting factor for most of us is us. The rider. Then in comes the R1 stuff again. Don,t get me wrong the R1M is a nice looking bike but why the .... keep talking about it in the Ducati forum. Is there not an R1 forum somewhere? Its just bizarre.
 
holy .... many best thing i ever read on here (outside my own stuff lol). not only did i give a thanks i had to write how well you put this. its marketing thats it.
just end this thread after what he said like costanza go out on a high note. (seinfeld reference in case you missed it)

Haha thanks. :D
 
And lets face it, all the folk chasing that elusive second here or there by buying this years bike over last years will not tend to stop there. So realistically we will not probably see many comparisons between standard bikes anyway. Within weeks the new machines are stripped and rebuilt with what the owner views as "upgrades".

My 1098R has been in bits awaiting parts for several months, so I have not ridden the new '15 R and that back to back. My times are much better on my new bike, but this could just be due to more track familiarity over the last few months. Hopefully I will have the 1098 ready soon, and run the 2 bikes over a few days in Norway mid August. That will be a new track to me so all things will start equal. I'm very curious to see where it all ends up as I am very comfortable on both bikes. My main limitation isn't worry about machine damage, but physical, as I spent a year off work with multiple surgeries after a road crash in 2006. This should mean that I treat both bikes reasonably equally in the commitment/confidence stakes. I'm looking forward to the whole comparison thing to be honest.
 
And lets face it, all the folk chasing that elusive second here or there by buying this years bike over last years will not tend to stop there. So realistically we will not probably see many comparisons between standard bikes anyway. Within weeks the new machines are stripped and rebuilt with what the owner views as "upgrades".

My 1098R has been in bits awaiting parts for several months, so I have not ridden the new '15 R and that back to back. My times are much better on my new bike, but this could just be due to more track familiarity over the last few months. Hopefully I will have the 1098 ready soon, and run the 2 bikes over a few days in Norway mid August. That will be a new track to me so all things will start equal. I'm very curious to see where it all ends up as I am very comfortable on both bikes. My main limitation isn't worry about machine damage, but physical, as I spent a year off work with multiple surgeries after a road crash in 2006. This should mean that I treat both bikes reasonably equally in the commitment/confidence stakes. I'm looking forward to the whole comparison thing to be honest.

Having almost bought a 1098R before the Pani was announced, I believe that bike was much more of a leap at that time then the 1199R was from an S.
 
Upgraded radiator would be my first change to the R, and something I think it's something Ducati should have already done. Appears to be the same system on the Base/S, which is marginal even for street use
 
Upgraded radiator would be my first change to the R, and something I think it's something Ducati should have already done. Appears to be the same system on the Base/S, which is marginal even for street use

Why, I don't have any temp issues on either street or track? Apart from shiny toy syndrome what purpose will it serve for most folk?

I could understand if people are gonna strip it to a total race bike, with no fans etc, but then the owners will be doing a hell of a lot more changes than a radiator, so can just add that to their list. Admittedly I aint a racer, but as a trackday tool, all the R needs is gas.
 
What the hell is it about all this R1M ......... I thought this was the Ducati forum. enjoyed reading the thread and the different views about 13 R vs 15 R. I agree with Mr Chaotic about the limiting factor for most of us is us. The rider. Then in comes the R1 stuff again. Don,t get me wrong the R1M is a nice looking bike but why the .... keep talking about it in the Ducati forum. Is there not an R1 forum somewhere? Its just bizarre.

Besides, the 2015 R beat the R1M in comparison tests........ so the 2015 R is definately the better bike yeah?...
 
In the MCN test, yes - but it was close, and the R1 is limited in stock form.

The true test is both bikes with about $5k in mods (that doesn't go very far in Ducati world, to say the least) and the R1 deresticted. Doubt we will ever see that one, but it would be interesting.
 
In the MCN test, yes - but it was close, and the R1 is limited in stock form.

The true test is both bikes with about $5k in mods (that doesn't go very far in Ducati world, to say the least) and the R1 deresticted. Doubt we will ever see that one, but it would be interesting.

They were both as they come out of the crate, on the road. Can't be a fairer test.

You sure you don't need to be in the Yamaha forum whining over there instead about how it was an unfair test?
 

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