2013 R V's 2015 R

Does no one have a pdf parts list for the SL? Its not listed on the Ducati site, so imagine its a bit more of a personal doc for the buyers, but the R one is there, so part no.s can be compared.

Getting back to the bikes.
The new 15R is certainly a better bike, its evident after the first few minutes. The motor is a standout, its got a lot more punch and hasn't been run in yet either (keen to see it on the dyno compared to my 14R and how much extra it really has), the electronics help it put the power down really nicely and drive out of the corners is a lot better, im no longer constantly fighting the line between good drive and the front end all light and hovering off the ground, dragging people at the lights is like cheating now with the wheelie control and im only running it on 1/2 out of 8, still experimenting with how much I like but having it on the triggers makes it easy to dial it on and off on the fly.
New quick shifter software is trick, its faster and even better. Down shifts are cheating but awesome.
Suspension is setup terrible from the factory and tire pressures were too high so no comments on handling at full lean yet. Steering is just as light and easy to change direction as before. Havent noticed the extra length in the wheelbase yet but haven't ridden super tight roads yet.
Whether or not any of these things amount to faster lap times is still to be determined but I will certainly be more comfortable at my limits on the bike, its improved and better in every way and just easier to ride. So I made a good decision, I can see and feel where my money went.
It still wants you dead like the original Panigale, its a Ducati, but this one isn't so obnoxious and theatrical about it, it feels like it has more purpose and intent to get from A to B faster.

Certainly think I'll keep the OEM exhaust, its loud and sounds fantastic, no need to get the Akrapovic Slip-ons.

sexparty said:

Certainly think I'll keep the OEM exhaust, its loud and sounds fantastic, no need to get the Akrapovic Slip-ons.

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Thanks for the review, why would you look to get rid of the exhaust its a fukk akra system

it isnt the full DP system, it has stainless as opposed to titanium headers and it also has the flapper valve and servo etc.

I havent been very active lately but just chipping in ...

when considering upgrading to the 15R this is what i learned from extensive conversations with someone who really knows:

Out of the crate with NO furhter mods : the 15R is better than the 13/14R. It will have like 10 bhp more easily and spin considerably faster. its almost a 12RS engine. The setup is better with the change to 24° and 5mm offset. it seems to make for even faster steering still higher stability when entering and exiting corners. It what my bike has now and i dropped 2 seconds of at Valencia.

whit a extensive pipes mod : i know that even with the latest 300MM termi pipe and extensive engine mods, my bike did not do over 196 bhp where the stock 15R with a Akra race line did 203 bhp on the same conservative bench

to the electronics , my pritty quick mates who did swap to 15R say they don't really feel the difference , find the WC intrusive as off 3 (bike is held back) but do love the downshift system.

once you start modding your 13/14 R , then of course the difference with 15R gets really blurred. installing a decent pipe (300mm) takes away 90% of power and torque difference and once you get your setup sorted to your liking ( including steering angle) giving you the confidence that brings speed , then it will take a while beofre you see the difference.. having highly modded 13Rs only one of my mates succeeded in dropping 1 second at SPA to 2:40... 1 more second is expected to be dropped..

At one moment i did consider adding a 15R and swapping everything over but finally decided against it ... and got some better airflow coming in on shorter trumpets instead. this gave me another 5 bhp up top and i hope to have better pull when my size starts to be noticable (over 220 kph)... due to work i haven't been able to ride her yet... hope to do so at Donington in 2 weeks and then benchmark it at SPA and Mugello.. something perhaps a bit underestimated is that for the bigger crowd, the wider fairing on the 15R ( or 1299) does make a difference...

Problem with swapping from 13 to 15R with termi pipes is that the 15 is fully mapped for AKRA.. and because it is a diff ECU and the SSTK ecu is not Mitsubishi but MM, the Mitsu has to be hacked and fully rewritten to suit the interaction between all the stuff ( WC,DTC,ABS, ... ) so taking your fancy TERMI pipe to the 15R is no small issue....

btw : the 15R gets close to the SL engine but is not a SL engine... from the top of my head i think outlet valves are not TI and the piston is 2 rings instead of 1
from what i know and experienced upgrading the 13R to a 1R5 engine is a 10K mod easily.... the crank is like 5K ... pistons, liners .... pfffff .... a minor maintenance job is 4k ...

for those riding track in UK or Europe the 15R with akra is very loud... so you may likely get in trouble with noise restrictions. ..

I agree with the comments if WC as I also find it intrusive and doubt I will actually be using it I a race situation the downshift I also like.
Your correct with the outlet valves they are not titanium .
The pistons are also not the same Pistons as used in the SL

I am glad you kept your bike Kope rather than swapped it out for the 15 .

Thanks Wilks ! so do I ... We've talken her all the way she could go and uptill now, i ve always been able to drop times as she got better... we ve gone a long way and there's only one like her... now have some nice and ultra-rare RS stuff laying around to make her all pretty again soon... but ride her some more first...

buttnekid said:

it isnt the full DP system, it has stainless as opposed to titanium headers and it also has the flapper valve and servo etc.

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The first section of the headers are stainless, the rest are titanium.

wilkson said:

The pistons are also not the same Pistons as used in the SL .

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Ducati's fische lists the 2015 R piston as the same piston in the SL.

Says on Ducati's own website Titanium valves in the R......

Also, pistons in the SL and R are both two ring.

AKKutz said:

Ducati's fische lists the 2015 R piston as the same piston in the SL.

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Which website has the part numbers? Everyone I've seen don't have the SL or 2015 parts list yet.

Ljuice26 said:

Which website has the part numbers? Everyone I've seen don't have the SL or 2015 parts list yet.

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I work for a Ducati dealership. I am getting the info from DCS. Public doesn't have access.

Yes, the online Hype is that the R has Ti valves, but if you look in the fische the exhaust valves run 157 bucks, while the intakes are more like 582! So, I would agree that it doesn't come with Ti exhaust valves.

AKKutz said:

I work for a Ducati dealership. I am getting the info from DCS. Public doesn't have access.

Yes, the online Hype is that the R has Ti valves, but if you look in the fische the exhaust valves run 157 bucks, while the intakes are more like 582! So, I would agree that it doesn't come with Ti exhaust valves.

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Thanks . I was getting my info from my tech here .

I'm reading this review and they state the 2015 R has ti exhaust and intake valves.

The engine’s compression ratio has been increased to 13.2:1 (from 12.5), while titanium intake and exhaust valves are employed and utilize new cam profiles and timing.

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2015 Ducati Panigale R FIRST RIDE Superbike Motorcycle Review- Photos- Specs: The most extreme V-twin superbike gets even more singularly focused.

Some reviews say they do others say they don't . From what I know they don't but truth be told in the parts list as AKKutz was kind enough to share .

I remember that they kept final specs very very late in accordance with final WSBK rules. Just not to have to put more expensive parts in that they were allowed to change under those rules. as frankly, the 15 R must be one of the cheapest ever built...

and that in the week before finalising, some specs came down quit a bit.... still, that is on fine engine...

Gecko said:

Does anybody know whether the crankshaft is the same on the 2015R and the SL? Noboby seems to know

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Yes, the crank appears to be the same part number on the parts diagram. Interestingly, both the Intake and Exhaust valve part numbers are different, even though the intake valves on the R are also Titanium just like the SL. I suspect that has something to do with the difference in service intervals between the 2 engines, since the R has the same service intervals as the rest of the 1299 range, whereas the SL has race-bike intervals. Just guessing there, otherwise I can't figure out why the service intervals would be different.

I would agree with AKKutz too....... Bit of a cop out though, Ducati being economical with the truth.

But then I wouldn't know how a Ti exhaust valve would fair in day-to-day use. Perhaps this is part of how reliability is maintained?

I guess there has to be some differences or else SL owners only got a shiny set of wheels and a lighter chassis/sub-frame for their extra £25k

I had a look into what pistons are in the 15 and the information I got back was the Euro bikes have the two ring SL pistons while the bikes going to the US still have the three ring pistons as in the 14R but have been machined lighter .
Just passing information .

Mutt1979 said:

I would agree with AKKutz too....... Bit of a cop out though, Ducati being economical with the truth.

But then I wouldn't know how a Ti exhaust valve would fair in day-to-day use. Perhaps this is part of how reliability is maintained?

I guess there has to be some differences or else SL owners only got a shiny set of wheels and a lighter chassis/sub-frame for their extra £25k

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TI = lighter = wears less so allows for intenser use = higher revs = more bhp ... must have in a 500 mile interval 12800 rev wsbk engine....