2022 Panigale V4 Rev Limit…?

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DeussenEngines said:
Thats the part number for a support bracket to hold the secondary air valve and manifold pressure sensors of the rear cylinder bank. :rolleyes:

Ambient pressure (absolut pressure used for altitude correction) is measured at stopped engine with the manifold pressure sensors and updated while running at load by a calibrated difference between manifold pressure and ambient pressure.
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It was #12 in that schematic whatever that is haha 🤷‍♂️
 
OK. But the torque nanny must be the sum of various sensor inputs. If I get on the gas in death valley (below sea level) I suspect i can provoke it. If this were to be accurate won't it need the tire/gear calibration. I have a question for Mr. Duessen, if the horns (velocity stacks) are motorized is there a map (I can't see one) for horn length relative to rpm? I liked the microtech ecu because you could correct the sensor curves (slopes). And I see your software also has this capability.
 
Bummer on the stacks. I'm a little bit slow, are they simply measuring the pressure differential to activate the torque nanny? Man did I overthink that. They do consider torque multipication too right? As in gear selection?
 
baggerman said:
OK. But the torque nanny must be the sum of various sensor inputs. If I get on the gas in death valley (below sea level) I suspect i can provoke it. If this were to be accurate won't it need the tire/gear calibration. I have a question for Mr. Duessen, if the horns (velocity stacks) are motorized is there a map (I can't see one) for horn length relative to rpm? I liked the microtech ecu because you could correct the sensor curves (slopes). And I see your software also has this capability.
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Torque safety is a beast. It basically doubles many ECU maps in reduced size and complexity. If you are at sea level or at altitude the sensitivity is still the same. It does not care about the vehicle but only about the torque generated by the engine and basically checks if the driver request is within an accepted tolerance of the calculated torque delivered.

Yes of course there are maps in the ECU to control the variable intake. In the Streetfighter they are unused as it has fixed stacks. But in the Panigale they are used. With your Woolich software you see probably less than a percent of the calibration parameters available in the ECU. My most extensive mappack features currently about 450 maps and parameters. And that's still less than 10% of all the maps and parameters existing in the memory.
 
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Ok. But if the sensitivity is the same it's still based on available intake pressure which decreases with altitude? Is this wrong? Air pressure at 5000 ft is reduced by .97 to the 5th. 14%. My assumption is I can't provoke it. I ride between 5 and 13k feet. Again as you say it's calculated torque.
 
baggerman said:
Ok. But if the sensitivity is the same it's still based on available intake pressure which decreases with altitude? Is this wrong? Air pressure at 5000 ft is reduced by .97 to the 5th. 14%. My assumption is I can't provoke it. I ride between 5 and 13k feet. Again as you say it's calculated torque.
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You can provoke it at any altitude depending on how aggressive you make changes in certain maps in the ECU.
 
baggerman said:
Then it's not a torque map. At 10,000 ft the torque would be around 75%. Make no sense you could trigger this at any altitude. Sea level tq would be over 120 ft/lbs to provoke it at 10k ft.
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It is indeed not a simple torque map. Like I wrote before it is a whole structure.
 
And all this nanny bs is brought to you by the same people who sold 1198's with no electronics other than the ECU. The 1198 S had DTC which was fondly named the widow maker. Throttle turns both ways.
 
Since being owned by the Germans they seemed to have turned a corner. The 1198 was fourteen years ago? I jumped in the pool with the 1199.
 
I actually think it was Claudio. What I love about this guy is he was the chief frame/chassis guy before they started making him project leader and then president. What's he do, he channels Phillip Vincent and tosses the trellis away. A genuine enthusiast runs Ducati. Not a hired suit. I considered the SF/Panigale V4's as an absolute engineering tour of force. Best Ducati design IMHO since the original 916. Both are easy to service (all things are relative) and the designs are transformative.
 
The “turning point” was/is much tighter emissions control of motorcycles. The Ducati CAN bus is a network of separate ECUs, engine, bbs, dash, etc., using the same technologies that other road vehicles have been using for more than a decade now. The Euro4/5 specs require a much more precise control of the engine and supporting systems, so that technology is required now. The great result is that we now get access to this latest technology in daily driven street vehicles.

Although we(?) bitch about emissions requirements, they have resulted in the greatest advancements in mainstream engine controls and resulting power improvements. Think carburetors, ignition, cam timing, wide and O2 sensors, etc.

Most of these things were not new inventions, just their maturation into mass markets.
 
baggerman said:
I actually think it was Claudio. What I love about this guy is he was the chief frame/chassis guy before they started making him project leader and then president. What's he do, he channels Phillip Vincent and tosses the trellis away. A genuine enthusiast runs Ducati. Not a hired suit. I considered the SF/Panigale V4's as an absolute engineering tour of force. Best Ducati design IMHO since the original 916. Both are easy to service (all things are relative) and the designs are transformative.
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I met Claudio riding through Florence. He and his wife road up next to me and my wife on my Panigale. They were on a DesertX and had just crossed the Apennines mountains riding from Bologna. He just offered his number, just like that while chatting. We text now and then. Next time I saw him he blew past me on the inside at Misano when I was behind a DRE instructor. I had a knee down in Curvone the fastest curve and was closing on the apex with a meter gap. We almost touched elbows, his right one was in the grass for sure.
Polite wave.
I see 0-something on his back. Honestly my thought was "....... Dov? who was that?"
I roll into the paddock and there he is. Turns around and has a huge smile, "Ah that was YOU!" he says. I explained I saw 0-something and wondered.
He told me, "Ah yes, 00 goes before all the other numbers," and just smiles. 😆🤣
The real honest to goodness deal that one. Faith in product right there.
 
DeussenEngines said:
Ok. Why do you disable DTC? In a straight line is has no effect. Maybe it is hard to pass 300 depdending on ambient conditions. A 10 km/h head wind will make you 10km/h slower in the end.

Please do not keep claiming that the stock Ducati Panigale V4 is limited in top speed because that is simply not true. At least not for all EU and USA calibrations that I have seen. Maybe in some other country it is but I would put it under the category "fake news".....
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23 v4 .it homicidal bike. I had 10 bike ss mostly bmw s1000rr zx 10 r r1 gsxr 1000r. One of the reson I got ducati v4 is that in stock form it faster then most if not all Supersport. I when flash and tune u can bet I race H 2 ppl think h2 not h2 r is fast but not faster then ducati panigale v4 23 cuz power nothing without control plus it very heavy bike h2 compared to light and torque monster ducati panigale. Top speed even in stock v4 at 6 gear 15k rmp I did 195 miles and still had more to bad run out road .it homicidal bike best not only looks but preforming. Top of the line I bought my cash even for base v4 32k us dollars if u finance 42k and that for base .not many ppl can afford 6k Akrapovic.
 

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