2022 Panigale V4 w/sexy exhaust

MaverickiB said:

Thing is, it's not as much inflation as it is them exploiting deep wallet Ducatisti who will shell out the cash for their Starbucks machines. Aftermarket exhaust systems are half the price, if not even less. Pretty sure you can pick up the actual SBK akra exhaust for the price of the new system they're selling.

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TomFoolery said:

You are correct. In recent years, Ducati has been very successful in attracting the bike night crowd into the brand. The kind of crowd that isn’t afraid to spend thousands on titanium axle nuts and hardware and never doing a track day in their entire lives.

Don’t mind me. I am just a pissy curmudgeon because Kramer dosn’t have any GP2s to sell me and I was forced to buy a V4 to kill the time. A $30k bike that doesn’t even measure up to track day use without extensive setup and configuration and a quickshifter worth its salt. Ugh.

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rac1ngsnak3 said:

I believe this is call capitalism

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CSV4 said:

i think the forks have been revised - also not sure if electronic anti squat or a new shock

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CSV4 said:

electronic anti squat

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KarlKani said:

**Well it is certainly not copying SC or Austin, you may recall previous Akira undertail exhausts on xx99 bikes from FE to WSBK.
The WSBK Akra exhaust I believe is around 15-17K, this comes down to engineering vs sales which brings me to my main point...

$7k is a lot to spend for an exhaust, 5k was a lot for the previous gen. But I think a pretty basic capitalist formula is at work here. I am going to outline it but I point have the figures for it naturally.

+How many new 2022 Ducati V4 will be sold? - Not that many in he grand scheme of things
+Of the V4's sold how many customer will buy a Akira full system? - ^^^ Less

This is not a Ducati vertical product, this is made by a Slovenian company that is that not big for a global company 2017 - 107m EU revenue 16m operating income. SO while Ducati works with them to develop, akra will make and produce and sell to Ducati which Ducati will mark up. I am sure a big chunk of this $7k figure is a engineering costs coupled with a wholesale to 2nd wholesale transition. So what is a hard pill for a some to swallow is based on a race based engineering and production equation (low numbers). It is wonderful to be able to buy a bike that is develop to race on tracks and then ride it around town, the tough part is being subjected to the reality of what goes into these high performance parts such as a full exhaust system that comes with the best ECU upgrade made by OEM that works with no .........

-Yes it is cheaper on Japanese bikes - they make WAY MORE
-Yes you can buy a Austin exhaust and have Brock install a Dimsoprt map for less money - But Austin is trash and the 3rd party ecu crack isn't amazing
-Yes I went with a non Brock dims-port ECU tune to try to go slightly further with HP - in hindsight wasn't really that worth it I am sure

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brad8266 said:

That exhaust is hideous.

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Paul G said:

The undertail? I think it looks great and despite the price tag Id be a starter if I was to get a 22 model

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Paul G said:

The other side of the equation is that I spend about 12k a year on gas, tires, insurance and repairs- its all relative. I think that the 7k is still ridiculous for a bit of tubing no matter how its dressed up and the ECU mapping- meh we are talking factory level software dev's. its not that hard.

As I mentioned the Van Demon product is cheap. well made and profitable for the owners at less than half the cost and its a backyard operation compared to Akra who have the advantage of scale and buying power plus slave wages. Highly skilled workers get something like 25-30k euro a year in Slovenia- peanuts.

Its simply a case of winding up the price until the profit starts dropping off then turn the dial back a notch.

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WyldCFH said:

It's a decent looking bike, but for me, $40k with the exhaust and install is not making me want to add it to the garage.
As a comparison, my '21 RSV4 Factory was $26k. The header is an exact copy of the Akra header, the cat and exhaust valve are part of the can. $800 for a new slip on, $250 for Aprilia race flash. HP & Tq within a couple points of each other and I saved $13k for wheels & ergo parts

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RODOLFO said:

tell me more about that APRILIA

things are getting out of control on the ducati garage

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CSV4 said:

i think the forks have been revised - also not sure if electronic anti squat or a new shock

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