2022 Panigale V4 w/sexy exhaust

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"Thousands" is not mass market. Ducati sold 8,000 hand made Panigale in 2020, Honda made around 19MILLION bikes. Millions is mass market. Level of exotic? Ok you can give Ducati an "owned by Audi" is not Pagani making 15 cars a year at $2.3 million exotic, but still pretty exotic in the motorcycle world.
Hu, out sold BMW superbikes last year though. I get what you're saying about the 'volume player' though. There are issues.



TomFoolery said:
Ducati is not an exotic. They make two dozen models and churn out bikes in the thousands, have dealerships everywhere. That's the opposite of exotic.

Of all the Italian marques Ducati is the most mass market volume player. It's people thinking they are exotic and wanting the name plate as a check mark is why we are in the situation we are all discussing.

I've got more than one truly exotic car and familiar with exotic automobile economics. I agree with charge whatever you want that people will pay for, till the time it becomes obvious you are being taken because the manufacturer thinks you are stupid.
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Jrsq270 said:
I guess the whole exhaust/mods debate. Is really all just personal choice. If you can afford it and it makes you happy.......Have at it!

For me. I owned a 916 at a young age. I currently blessed enough to pretty much buy any bike I like. I held off on the 2021 looking for updates on the 22. And got lucky!
IMHO a Ducati is an "Exotic". No offense to any of the other manufacturers. The R1 is the best bang for the buck with mods cheap and abundant. But nothing out there looks like a Ducati.
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I agree, the Ducati is sexy as .... and the stock exhaust is perfectly fine, I challenge any average person to ride beyond it. Mostly its looks, weight and sound. Phil can take care of the sound, lay off the big macs and have a dump sorts the weight and as for looks- stock is great IMHO. Now if you are racing or starbucking then you will definitley need the 7k blinger.

Hows this thought; loud pipes on the Pani are the sports bike equivalent of those 2 wheeled all American shitters going potato potato down the road annoying the .... out of everyone.

Really its whatever makes you happy, pipe or no pipe no one cares more about it than you!
 
bp_SFV4 said:
They finally knocked it off with that asymmetrical headlight BS last year and the new charcoal color scheme isn't as garish as the white blue and red.

TPMS can't be that hard to get right in 2021. What's so terrible about the BMW one?
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My buddy had a TPS error at 200 miles. BMW is known for this in their cars as well, where they rape you at the dealer for a replacement one. We were riding last weekend and he pulls aside because it told him low tire pressure, which was not the case.
 
brad8266 said:
My buddy had a TPS error at 200 miles. BMW is known for this in their cars as well, where they rape you at the dealer for a replacement one. We were riding last weekend and he pulls aside because it told him low tire pressure, which was not the case.
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I had to get the anal lube out after paying $150ish for a clutch microswitch on my V4S.

I'm sure that warning message took up 95% of his dash screen as well. Its hilarious how big the warning messages are on the BMWs.
 
TomFoolery said:
Ducati is not an exotic. They make two dozen models and churn out bikes in the thousands, have dealerships everywhere. That's the opposite of exotic.

Of all the Italian marques Ducati is the most mass market volume player. It's people thinking they are exotic and wanting the name plate as a check mark is why we are in the situation we are all discussing.

I've got more than one truly exotic car and familiar with exotic automobile economics. I agree with charge whatever you want that people will pay for, till the time it becomes obvious you are being taken because the manufacturer thinks you are stupid.
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More akin to Porsche that fills a niche between Vette’s and Ferrari, MCLaren, etc. Porches are overpriced and but don’t really play on the exclusivity of exotics as much as some people and dealers do with Ducati. I haven’t done exotics but have had a few Porsches including one I had built to spec but sold after a few years because the smiles per dollar quotient was to low. I have a Miata I enjoy more because it’s so cheap and accessible. One of the reasons I enjoy motorcycles so much. The fact I could get two ZX10R’s for the price of 22’ V4S OTD is pushing that quotient too low
 
37NG900X said:
More akin to Porsche that fills a niche between Vette’s and Ferrari, MCLaren, etc. Porches are overpriced and but don’t really play on the exclusivity of exotics as much as some people and dealers do with Ducati. I haven’t done exotics but have had a few Porsches including one I had built to spec but sold after a few years because the smiles per dollar quotient was to low. I have a Miata I enjoy more because it’s so cheap and accessible. One of the reasons I enjoy motorcycles so much. The fact I could get two ZX10R’s for the price of 22’ V4S OTD is pushing that quotient too low
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Smiles per dollar is important, and that's where I think Ducati is dropping the ball on their revisions of their flagship superbike. Ducatis have always been sold at a premium and usually lack the refinement of other bikes of the same price point. But what has sold them in the past anyway is their riding characteristics. The experience of riding a Ducati is what sold Ducatis, not fancy features and gimmicks.

I have a first generation V4, and while it is much more refined than the 1299S I rode before it, it still has a high degree of "rawness" to it. Pushing it around the track is exhausting and I come into the paddock breathing harder than everyone else on Japanese bikes, but I'm also smiling ear to ear as it's more fun than I've ever had anywhere else.

It seems Ducati under Audi influence is trying to refine the rawness out of their superbikes and make them more like their Asian counterparts. Tame, predictable, easy to ride. All great selling points if your motivations are lap times. But most people aren't chasing hundredths and instead are going to be disappointed they paid a premium price for a bike that rides like everything else. Looking cool or the best is only gonna take sales so far.
 
MaverickiB said:
Looking cool or the best is only gonna take sales so far.
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I disagree with that. This is the typical Ducati owner so they are catering to that. Looking cool is exactly what most potential Ducati purchasers are looking for.
 
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I tried hard to get myself to WANT to buy the new R1 Heritage paint model. And YES Ducati is taming there bikes to be much more user friendly. But IMHO there is no bike out there with the look and feel of the Ducati. I can look around and easily see 50 R1's. But rarely see a panigale in LI NY. Don't get me wrong. The R1 with the Cross Plane is a nice unique bike. I would be happy with one all day. But nothing compares to a Ducati IMHO. Look, Sound, Ride.
As an older guy for me the Ducati is the Dream Bike. I have no intentions of ever getting close to probably what 50% of what the bike can do with PECO on it. Most of my fun will be under 50 on highway off ramps and trip to the twists. It's a dream and it sits in my garage making me just as happy staring at it as riding it.

Buy what makes you happy. To each his own.
 
I was thinking along with many friends pushing me towards a BMW GS, looked at the GS club website. They just complain. Hundred threads of complaining and getting screwed with warranty denials. I saw little things like, "crankshaft dropped, speared the ground, launched newly castrated rider... Warranty denied." Followed by 50, #metoo replies. Already I thought, mmmm, na. To be sure I did a test ride was which was like mashed potatoes. I love mashed potatoes, but every meal? Test road the Multistrada, so much f**k-ya for one bike. 4 Ducati later, still Ducati.
Road an R1 at Mugello. Jello Pudding. Fun, permissive, easy. Hard to describe, squishy, easy. You say 'bend over,' it says, ok!
Painagle at Mugello. First 3 laps warming up, linguini with truffles, and a nice Chianti. You say, give me more, she says, "prove it." Ringing it out down the straight pinned in 5th mash 6th, Tequilla & tobasco injection in both ends. You don't forget that.


brad8266 said:
My buddy had a TPS error at 200 miles. BMW is known for this in their cars as well, where they rape you at the dealer for a replacement one. We were riding last weekend and he pulls aside because it told him low tire pressure, which was not the case.
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brad8266 said:
I disagree with that. This is the typical Ducati owner so they are catering to that. Looking cool is exactly what most potential Ducati purchasers are looking for.
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Maybe, but I think that only gets people in the doors of dealerships. Ducati sales pitch has always been a 1-2 punch. First, draw them in with the sex appeal of the bike. Second, throw them the keys and let them ride it. Have the paperwork ready for when they come back.

While they're still hanging on to the aesthetics to an extent (though I feel they're slowing going down the route of making things look like transformers like everyone else), if the ride feels like just another bike, they'll lose those customers. I was one of them. Had no interest in buying a superbike or spending 20k+ on a bike until a sales associate threw me keys to one at a test ride event. Mind was changed in 30 minutes. If it rode like the other Japanese bikes I had ridden before, that purchase never would have happened.
 
Vbreeze said:
I was thinking along with many friends pushing me towards a BMW GS, looked at the GS club website. They just complain. Hundred threads of complaining and getting screwed with warranty denials. I saw little things like, "crankshaft dropped, speared the ground, launched newly castrated rider... Warranty denied." Followed by 50, #metoo replies. Already I thought, mmmm, na. To be sure I did a test ride was which was like mashed potatoes. I love mashed potatoes, but every meal? Test road the Multistrada, so much f**k-ya for one bike. 4 Ducati later, still Ducati.
Road an R1 at Mugello. Jello Pudding. Fun, permissive, easy. Hard to describe, squishy, easy. You say 'bend over,' it says, ok!
Painagle at Mugello. First 3 laps warming up, linguini with truffles, and a nice Chianti. You say, give me more, she says, "prove it." Ringing it out down the straight pinned in 5th mash 6th, Tequilla & tobasco injection in both ends. You don't forget that.
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Like their country of origin BMW owners can be a very technical, pedantic, OCD bunch, especially the internet denizens . I’ve owned over a dozen beemers over the years and never made a warranty claim. Technically brilliant bikes but a little sterile. I like hot tempered red headed little seductresses.

A few years back I bought an RSVR4 RF on a whim and then had to fess up to my wife. I sat her down very seriously and said I had something I needed to confess to her. I could see where her mind was going and I told her I was having an affair with an Italian mistress, after a moment she got it (still equally furious). Needless to say I didn’t get any for a bit, but as riding buddy once said “motorcycles get you through times of no woman better than woman get you through times of no motorcycles” ;)
 
brad8266 said:
My buddy had a TPS error at 200 miles. BMW is known for this in their cars as well, where they rape you at the dealer for a replacement one. We were riding last weekend and he pulls aside because it told him low tire pressure, which was not the case.
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KTM seems to have it figured out.
 
I wonder how many people are going to pay $7,100 though. The older Akrapovic full system is $5,514.12 from Ducati but I just bought one for $3,350 which is roughly what I paid for it on a Streetfighter V4 too.
 

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