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Actually now I remember, I did drive Taycan. Comparing to a petrol Macan that I use to tow Bucci around, it's dead boring.

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There are so many problems with EV's that the current media and political hype ignores. They are great for specific applications and do have many positives but lets not pretend they are something they are not. There will be no large scale energy "transition" to green and so called sustainable energy sources, its simply not physically possible. EV's have been the next big thing since 1910, they are an insignificant part of the market, Tesla is bombing, Ford make something like a 62k net loss on each EV 150 that rolls out the door but the numbers dont lie, the energy and material inputs to make an EV are not scalable enough for the world as we know it. Dont even mention the energy grid upgrades and powerplants required to run an EV fleet. Finally for those Chinaphobes out there, they produce pretty much all i.e. 90% plus of the worlds and US supply of neodymium magnets which are crucial to EV's so how about that for "security" There are some really awesome high performance EV's out there but all of them obey the laws of physics with regard to energy density, for the most part EV's as far motorcycle enthusiasts are concerned are souless appliances. I dont care how fast a toaster does the 1/4 mile
 
And how nasty some of that rare earth mineral mines are to local ecology. Same with lithium mines. Some idiots in Mn want to use sulfide mining right next to the BWCA to get copper and nickel, which will ruin one of the last pristine places in the US by raising the ph of the lakes, killing them and the wildlife around it. If China and South America want to destroy some of their ecology, let them do it.
 
not to mention some of the electrical grid infrastructure in this country can't handle summer air conditioning without rolling blackouts, never mind adding 100% electrical heating AND cooling in the form of heat pumps that building codes are attempting to push through in an attempt to eliminate fossil fuels like natural gas and propane. Add to that a transportation system that's reliant on it...complete .... show. In parts of the country they actually request you not charge your EV at night because the grid it so drained by so many people charging their cars at night...and we're not remotely close to the EV goal.

I like EV's...and to Paul's point they make a lot of sense for certain situations right now...but the infrastructure in this country has a LOOONG way to go before it's capable of handling the full scale adoption that legislators are attempting to force onto us.
 
We need fossil fuels end of story. Despite what the green ........ say, there is no next big thing coming anytime soon and if you ever get sucked into climate alarmism and vote for politicians who want to make us all drive EV's, and cover our houses with solar panels, just remember that China and India the home of 2 billion human beings are building 8 times the US coal fired capacity as we speak! There is a planet full of people who use a fraction of the kilowatt hours of energy that an average westerner uses, and as their world develops they are going to use a lot more and its mostly going to be coal, gas and nuclear. So while our de industrializing might make the green agenda barons rich it makes zero difference in the grand scheme and the rest of the world DGAF.

If your country can do hydro or geothermal- great but for everyone else its fossils or nukes


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Fossil fuels - plants take CO2, we use the resulting fuel and release the CO2 - plants use the CO2 to grow. Ideal!
 
Why not have both? Competition brings progress and lower prices. Not sure why you wouldn’t want that.

Absolutely, but there's a lot of money to be made out of climate alarmism. How about Norway, the cleanest greenest of them all with abundant hydro, 80% EV uptake, as woke as hell but the biggest joke is that its all paid for by oil! In other words dont piss on us and tell us its raining
 
Fossil fuels - plants take CO2, we use the resulting fuel and release the CO2 - plants use the CO2 to grow. Ideal!

sure, but considering that an area in the US equivalent to the entire state of Kansas is currently under cultivation for ethanol and its barely making a dent. Now when you add in fertilizer, diesel for the machines to run the farms, fertilizer inputs etc its just not that productive and without subsidies its a dead duck. We need energy density to run our world, there literally isnt enough arable land to meet energy needs and feed us.
 
sure, but considering that an area in the US equivalent to the entire state of Kansas is currently under cultivation for ethanol and its barely making a dent. Now when you add in fertilizer, diesel for the machines to run the farms, fertilizer inputs etc its just not that productive and without subsidies its a dead duck. We need energy density to run our world, there literally isnt enough arable land to meet energy needs and feed us.

It won’t grow very well if we reduce CO2 too much
 
Farmers love to get free money to grow corn to make ethanol based fuel. Then of course these same farmers rail against anyone ELSE getting a subsidy or free money.
 
I can confidently say I'm never owning another gas powered car/SUV again. I will probably have a diesel SUV or truck for towing but for a commuter point A to B car, I see no point in gas for my use cases. Wake up with a full charge, no oil changes, no oil leaks, never change brake pads, less carcinogens. I don't care what people think, I'll be enjoying my commute.
 
I can confidently say I'm never owning another gas powered car/SUV again. I will probably have a diesel SUV or truck for towing but for a commuter point A to B car, I see no point in gas for my use cases. Wake up with a full charge, no oil changes, no oil leaks, never change brake pads, less carcinogens. I don't care what people think, I'll be enjoying my commute.

Commute from point A to B in normal countries is done on a comfy train
 
I can confidently say I'm never owning another gas powered car/SUV again. I will probably have a diesel SUV or truck for towing but for a commuter point A to B car, I see no point in gas for my use cases. Wake up with a full charge, no oil changes, no oil leaks, never change brake pads, less carcinogens. I don't care what people think, I'll be enjoying my commute.

And I am happy for you. The problem for me is when I am told “you must to be like him”.
 
I had a RC8R, great bike and made for big guys like me. Let’s hope this new one from them is just as good.
 
There are so many problems with EV's that the current media and political hype ignores. They are great for specific applications and do have many positives but lets not pretend they are something they are not. There will be no large scale energy "transition" to green and so called sustainable energy sources, its simply not physically possible. EV's have been the next big thing since 1910, they are an insignificant part of the market, Tesla is bombing, Ford make something like a 62k net loss on each EV 150 that rolls out the door but the numbers dont lie, the energy and material inputs to make an EV are not scalable enough for the world as we know it. Dont even mention the energy grid upgrades and powerplants required to run an EV fleet. Finally for those Chinaphobes out there, they produce pretty much all i.e. 90% plus of the worlds and US supply of neodymium magnets which are crucial to EV's so how about that for "security" There are some really awesome high performance EV's out there but all of them obey the laws of physics with regard to energy density, for the most part EV's as far motorcycle enthusiasts are concerned are souless appliances. I dont care how fast a toaster does the 1/4 mile

Within 10 years we will have working Fusion reactors, they are getting closer, that will solve the charging issue, BUT not the battery ingredients issues.
 

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