2025, totally new Panigale(?)

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bp_SFV4 said:
I like progress, but I don't feel a need to jump to the latest and greatest since I'd have to spend a bunch of money to sort out all the neutering done to get it past regulations.

We're at a point now where you can buy an R7 or an exhaust installed on a Panigale V4. It's getting a bit dumb. I really wish Ducati would make a track only bike for the V2 and V4 platform.
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totally agree. no idea who buys all this stuff as well, its not like Italians are rich
 
Decided to stop by my local Ducati dealer and talked to the owner. He knows a lot of stuff behind closed door Ducati related and doesn’t just say stuff without being sure. He mentioned DSSA and seamless gearbox for new upcoming V4R. So that’s that. In other news, new Motogp 827cc rules for 2027?!? Wow
 
I was thinking V21L as well but you can see an engine case. My next thought was next gen V2 (similar to how the 959 had a dssa and no wings). Rear sprocket/chain also looks weird. Almost like it’s belt driven
 
Would be hilarious if the new V4R was an electric bike, although that would mean a withdraw from WSBK so that’s not likely…the bike in the pic looks like a test mule for the V21L to me too.
 
its an ICE bike for sure, the swingarm looks like the V21L swingarm. Which if you look at it is cast, which is not ever how Corse swingers are made. I asked and the V21L was designed by the inline design team - not CORSE. Which does very much makes sense that it is now coming into the consumer product line ie V2R/V4/V4R
 
I actually like the IDEA of a high performing electric bike, but until they find a way to get the weight down I can’t see buying one. I don’t like buying heavy bikes or cars for play toys, and usually try to find ways to strip out as much weight as possible, but you can’t do that with a battery pack. Add lightness and I’m in.
 
KarlKani said:
its an ICE bike for sure, the swingarm looks like the V21L swingarm. Which if you look at it is cast, which is not ever how Corse swingers are made. I asked and the V21L was designed by the inline design team - not CORSE. Which does very much makes sense that it is now coming into the consumer product line ie V2R/V4/V4R
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Okay yeah I see the engine now. Looking at the bike more closely, it has a kickstand, so it’s a street bike, probably the new V4-V4S…with the V4R to follow in 2026. I like the tank shape, and it might have a wider seat, looks a lot like the RADE Garage tank/seat setup, or more like it anyway. Also the side fairing in front of the knee flares out more, similar to the MotoGp bikes in that spot. The frame right in front of the knee looks slightly different to my eye too.
 
KTM just threw their hat into the ring

https://www.ktm.com/en-us/990-rc-r.html
Looks impressive

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