2025, totally new Panigale(?)

SuperDomestique said:

First WSBK and GP are 2 different series bound by different rules. For the uninformed, WSBK is based on homolgated production bikes. GP bikes are full on prototypes. A homologated WSBK bike has cost constraints. Having 2 different swingarms for a production bike is expensive in many ways (R&D, manufacturing, logistics, etc). Therefore, go with the thing you’re familiar with and that you’ve already committed investment in. It’s why you don’t see manufacturers switch engine layouts

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baggerman said:

DSSA will move the CG forward. Gearing changes no longer changes the ride height so set-up is easier and it's cheaper to make. Ride height adjustment is actually only a problem on these since they took the rocker adjustment off. That's why I wonder if the R's will have a carbon fiber SA.

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SuperDomestique said:

It’s why you don’t see manufacturers switch engine layouts

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spooky said:

They are using the DSSA in MotoGP, therefore it’s technically superior. Again, they’ve stuck to the SSSA because of a design consideration and because they tried to switch away from it previously and the market did not take kindly to it. Repetition…

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spooky said:

DSSA makes perfect sense for the R as far as I am concerned. The marketing guys wouldn’t like it though as the SSSA is a differentiator.

Would they be allowed to use a carbon swingarm, given that they can’t use it for wheels?

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spooky said:

There’s nothing to stop them doing that

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SuperDomestique said:

Cost cap of €40k

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SuperDomestique said:

It’s not technically superior when the bean counters get involved and the costs associated with the change don’t make sense.

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spooky said:

You mean like Ducati did?

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SuperDomestique said:

At a huge cost.

I’m saying that engineering decision are also driven by other factors apart from performance.

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spooky said:

So they switched to the V4 platform to save money?

They switched to V4 at huge cost but it wasn’t done for performance considerations?

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SuperDomestique said:

It’s not technically superior when the bean counters get involved and the costs associated with the change don’t make sense.

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panibadboy said:

I didnt do no rendering but it is shiet

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You basically get a shiet Honda/Yamaha/BWM bike

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gt3 said:

A side exhaust like this would disgust me.

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spooky said:

You are missing the point, which is that you seem to be arguing that the SSSA is chosen for performance considerations and yet in GP they only focus on performance and they do not choose the SSSA.

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spooky said:

If you say so.

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