2025, totally new Panigale(?)
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It certainly appears so. lol
I don’t think the swingarm was the reason for their success. If there was a technical advantage, they would use it in GP.
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I guess I meant V4 platform in general
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Yep. Unless specifically prohibited in the technical regulation.
Not to mention that the Panigale was sssa since it was introduced in 2012 but didn’t win a championship until after they went v4 in 2018.
Explain why they don’t use it in MotoGP. I would say that is the acid test for what is best from a performance point of view.
The SSSA looks great and that’s why it’s on the road bikes, which are the basis for WSBK.
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Always easy to look back and be the one who is always right
So they have made it work… It’s interesting that the 999 was successful on the track, but they very quickly changed from that because of public reaction to the new design. As you said, the reason for their success was not the swingarm.
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That has no relevance to what I said.
They are winning with both types of swingarms, but in GP they can choose what to use, and they don’t choose the SSSA. Why do you think that is?
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The only explanation I have is SBK has to be road legal and DSSA on Pani would look sheit.
They have 3-4 other platforms that derive from SBK to maintain so it's all a costly and dubious exercise to migrate to DSSA
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There’s nothing stopping Ducati from already using a DSSA in WSBK. If one were to read the rules, the only stipulation is that the type of swingarm needs to remain the same as the homologated bike. The homologated bike is the V4R which could’ve gone with DSSA in 19 or 23. Why didn’t Ducati go to a DSSA in 19 when they weren’t winning with the SSSA previously? Especially since they’ve had such success with DSSA in GP…
Surely if they have to use the same type of swingarm then the rules do prevent them from changing, unless they change the homologated bike… I’m not sure what point you were making.
They have had success with the V4… You seem to be attributing their success to the swingarm… It’s the V4 platform and electronics.
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Looks are all it is about. It’s a differentiator in the market. And I do get that – it looks awesome.
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My point was if you’re assuming that DSSA is technically superior, why haven’t they already switched? They easily had the chance on the last 2 revisions especially as Craig points out they weren’t winning w the xx99R. Looks shouldn’t play a major role on a race specific bike. It’s all about performance. And I say it should be easy because R’s are a separate model from the road-oriented base/S.
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I didn’t say this. Always misconstruing words…
The swingarm is just a part of the machine. The V4R is winning bc it has the right rider combined with the right bike with the right team. Ducati stuck w the SSSA most likely for packaging reasons and financial. SSSA might not be the best way of doing a swingarm but in the grand scheme of things, it’s the optimal solution.
If it was the optimal solution they’d use it in MotoGP, right? Why don’t they use it in MotoGP?
They are using it on road bikes, that get homologated for WSBK, because a Ducati has a SSSA, from the 916 to the present time with the exception of a short and unpopular change with the 999. I’ve said this multiple times. A Ducati has a SSSA… That doesn’t mean it’s the optimal solution and if it was then they’d be using it in MotoGP, where they don’t have to base the bike on anything but instead are free to make decisions that are optimal for performance.
BS. They stuck with it because the market told them to because it looks amazing and goes back to the 916, which was a real turning point for them.
They are using the DSSA in MotoGP, therefore it’s technically superior. Again, they’ve stuck to the SSSA because of a design consideration and because they tried to switch away from it previously and the market did not take kindly to it. Repetition…
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First WSBK and GP are 2 different series bound by different rules. For the uninformed, WSBK is based on homolgated production bikes. GP bikes are full on prototypes. A homologated WSBK bike has cost constraints. Having 2 different swingarms for a production bike is expensive in many ways (R&D, manufacturing, logistics, etc). Therefore, go with the thing you’re familiar with and that you’ve already committed investment in. It’s why you don’t see manufacturers switch engine layouts
Now that’s actually a half sensible statement. Imagine if they sold a V4R but with proper trickle-down GP tech. There’s nothing to stop them doing that, other than wanting to connect the Panigales from base to R. I’d love to see an R that was differentiated by more than just the engine, but that would probably be the next Desmo, limited edition for collectors only.
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