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Guys lemme ask, what's easier and requires less setup
gearing change on a DSSA?
gearing change on SSSA with etc hub?

would it be crazy to infer that MAYBE you could then use data outside of the OEM to inform performance and setup??
Pierobon will make the swingarm for Ducati Corse WSBK whether it's SSSA or DSSA - do we think that Massimo will all of a sudden drop the price for Ducati on this piece of kit?? No he won't
 
craig bush said:
I see no evidence a sssa is less expensive than dssa; in fact, there is evidence the opposite is true:

Alpha Racing dssa $10k

https://hhrperformance.com/i-31645170-alpha-racing-superbike-swingarm-bmw-s1000rr-2019.html

Suter dssa $10k

https://suterproducts.com/collections/swingarm

Pierobon sssa $5k

https://www.desmo-racing.com/en/swi...cati-panigale-1199-1299-xml-361_541-4988.html
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I guess not all swingarms are made equal. 🤣

I wonder what they pay for the MotoGP one. 🫣

That's not to say they couldn't do it cheaply for the road bikes of course.

That's assuming it happens - I've not noticed anywhere other than that article saying that it's a possibility? Maybe it's clickbait as they know the Ducatisti will lose their minds if the SSSA goes...
 
craig bush said:
I see no evidence a sssa is less expensive than dssa; in fact, there is evidence the opposite is true:

Alpha Racing dssa $10k

https://hhrperformance.com/i-31645170-alpha-racing-superbike-swingarm-bmw-s1000rr-2019.html

Suter dssa $10k

https://suterproducts.com/collections/swingarm

Pierobon sssa $5k

https://www.desmo-racing.com/en/swi...cati-panigale-1199-1299-xml-361_541-4988.html
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Suter/Alpha is entirely machined from billet so lots of money to material, design, and manufacturing.

Road bike swingarms are cast/stamped with minimal machining which is much cheaper.

This is totally click bait. Suckers be suckered.
 
DSSA can be way lighter. No expensive forged axle with massive bearings needed to spread the load. Axle becomes a hollow tube like the front. Because the swingarm forces are now on the outside of the wheel the ability to resist the moment in the plane of the axle can be achieved with less material. Simply lighter in the end. The V4 center of mass is further back than on the I4's. The change will help mid corner speed. I'm glad Tamburini is gone (the SSSA was his along with the first massively rigid triples). The 916 remains the pinnacle of Ducati engineering with respect to ease of maintenance, adjustability, and sheer beauty.
 
baggerman said:
DSSA can be way lighter. No expensive forged axle with massive bearings needed to spread the load. Axle becomes a hollow tube like the front. Because the swingarm forces are now on the outside of the wheel the ability to resist the moment in the plane of the axle can be achieved with less material. Simply lighter in the end. The V4 center of mass is further back than on the I4's. The change will help mid corner speed. I'm glad Tamburini is gone (the SSSA was his along with the first massively rigid triples). The 916 remains the pinnacle of Ducati engineering with respect to ease of maintenance, adjustability, and sheer beauty.
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SSSA can be helpful with packaging.

I did this render back for the 22 using the V4 front end and V21L swingarm. Exhaust routing will be tough with DSSA. DSSA is much easier w I4 because there’s no rear headers

IMG_0796.png
 
KarlKani said:
Guys lemme ask, what's easier and requires less setup
gearing change on a DSSA?
gearing change on SSSA with etc hub?

would it be crazy to infer that MAYBE you could then use data outside of the OEM to inform performance and setup??
Pierobon will make the swingarm for Ducati Corse WSBK whether it's SSSA or DSSA - do we think that Massimo will all of a sudden drop the price for Ducati on this piece of kit?? No he won't
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All your points are valid and this is not the question in play here.

Ducati made V4R in 2018 and made it SSSA.

They won bunch of championships with it.

They made V2 and new V4R version.

They won everything possible with those two.
 
panibadboy said:
All your points are valid and this is not the question in play here.

Ducati made V4R in 2018 and made it SSSA.

They won bunch of championships with it.

They made V2 and new V4R version.

They won everything possible with those two.
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I don’t think the swingarm was the reason for their success. If there was a technical advantage, they would use it in GP.
 
spooky said:
I don’t think the swingarm was the reason for their success. If there was a technical advantage, they would use it in GP.
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Yep. Unless specifically prohibited in the technical regulation.

Not to mention that the Panigale was sssa since it was introduced in 2012 but didn’t win a championship until after they went v4 in 2018.
 
SuperDomestique said:
SSSA can be helpful with packaging.

I did this render back for the 22 using the V4 front end and V21L swingarm. Exhaust routing will be tough with DSSA. DSSA is much easier w I4 because there’s no rear headers

View attachment 54096
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Explain why they don’t use it in MotoGP. I would say that is the acid test for what is best from a performance point of view.

The SSSA looks great and that’s why it’s on the road bikes, which are the basis for WSBK.
 
craig bush said:
Yep. Unless specifically prohibited in the technical regulation.

Not to mention that the Panigale was sssa since it was introduced in 2012 but didn’t win a championship until after they went v4 in 2018.
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So they have made it work… It’s interesting that the 999 was successful on the track, but they very quickly changed from that because of public reaction to the new design. As you said, the reason for their success was not the swingarm.
 
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spooky said:
That has no relevance to what I said.

They are winning with both types of swingarms, but in GP they can choose what to use, and they don’t choose the SSSA. Why do you think that is?
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The only explanation I have is SBK has to be road legal and DSSA on Pani would look sheit.

They have 3-4 other platforms that derive from SBK to maintain so it's all a costly and dubious exercise to migrate to DSSA
 

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