2025, totally new Panigale(?)

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SuperDomestique said:
I’d be willing to put money on a 2025 Supermono based on the 695 platform
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They need to put a pump on it and vacuum valve it off in low demand situations like Ford does. 10 lbs of boost, 130 HP, 330 lb weight. We'll see. This would be the only Ducati that they could entice me to buy new. Otherwise, I will continue my string of 2nd hand poseur hand me downs.
 
Just watched the Fast Bikes 2024 Fireblade SP launch video and now see what's on the horizon. 25 will be about upgrading the electronics of the suspension and braking. It'll have the new Ohlins EC3 and new Bosch ABS system where you can allegedly turn ABS completely off. Might also have SAP and ergo changes. The engine and chassis will most likely stay the same. Would be nice if they lightened the pistons and reduced friction similar to the V4R motor.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Just watched the Fast Bikes 2024 Fireblade SP launch video and now see what's on the horizon. 25 will be about upgrading the electronics of the suspension and braking. It'll have the new Ohlins EC3 and new Bosch ABS system where you can allegedly turn ABS completely off. Might also have SAP and ergo changes. The engine and chassis will most likely stay the same. Would be nice if they lightened the pistons and reduced friction similar to the V4R motor.
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Just to be clear …. Are these statements all definite maybe’s?🙄
 
Based on the article this will be the reveal for the all new V4 that was supposed to be shown this last fall and was pushed. Which means that R version would probably be the following season. So 25 wsbk would still be the current bike.

The reason to change something that works is that if you zoom out and analyze the time and money that has gone into making a SSSA package work it does not make sense. From a practically stand point a double sided swingarm eliminates SO MANY arbitrary factors to making a package work ie setup. Having eccentric hub alone btw gearing + swingarm is a rabbit hole for setup that has worked for 1 person exceptionally in the last 12 years. All of this is built around a brands design aesthetic - which is beautiful but Ducati has move passed this as being more precious then consistent results now and into the future.
 
KarlKani said:
Based on the article this will be the reveal for the all new V4 that was supposed to be shown this last fall and was pushed. Which means that R version would probably be the following season. So 25 wsbk would still be the current bike.

The reason to change something that works is that if you zoom out and analyze the time and money that has gone into making a SSSA package work it does not make sense. From a practically stand point a double sided swingarm eliminates SO MANY arbitrary factors to making a package work ie setup. Having eccentric hub alone btw gearing + swingarm is a rabbit hole for setup that has worked for 1 person exceptionally in the last 12 years. All of this is built around a brands design aesthetic - which is beautiful but Ducati has move passed this as being more precious then consistent results now and into the future.
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This seems backwards to me put the double-sided swingarm on the R's and leave the single sided on the road bikes. And design it with the ability to use either. Then if you want to run a double sided on your S you can. I like the SSA so what if it weighs a few more pounds. What's next valve springs...
 
baggerman said:
This seems backwards to me put the double-sided swingarm on the R's and leave the single sided on the road bikes. And design it with the ability to use either. Then if you want to run a double sided on your S you can. I like the SSA so what if it weighs a few more pounds. What's next valve springs...
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I agree. It would make more sense on the R and keep the aesthetics of the single-sided swing arm on the road bikes.

It’s such a Ducati thing that I’m surprised they would consider doing it, and especially considering what happened the last time they tried to do it…
 
KarlKani said:
Based on the article this will be the reveal for the all new V4 that was supposed to be shown this last fall and was pushed. Which means that R version would probably be the following season. So 25 wsbk would still be the current bike.

The reason to change something that works is that if you zoom out and analyze the time and money that has gone into making a SSSA package work it does not make sense. From a practically stand point a double sided swingarm eliminates SO MANY arbitrary factors to making a package work ie setup. Having eccentric hub alone btw gearing + swingarm is a rabbit hole for setup that has worked for 1 person exceptionally in the last 12 years. All of this is built around a brands design aesthetic - which is beautiful but Ducati has move passed this as being more precious then consistent results now and into the future.
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But they’ve done all the hard work already when it comes to SSSA. Now they need to recover that cost and amortize the R&D. Moving to a DSSA will re-incur these costs, time, and resources.

The DSSA will come with Ducati’s electric motorcycle to manage the extra torque
 
KarlKani said:
Based on the article this will be the reveal for the all new V4 that was supposed to be shown this last fall and was pushed. Which means that R version would probably be the following season. So 25 wsbk would still be the current bike.

The reason to change something that works is that if you zoom out and analyze the time and money that has gone into making a SSSA package work it does not make sense. From a practically stand point a double sided swingarm eliminates SO MANY arbitrary factors to making a package work ie setup. Having eccentric hub alone btw gearing + swingarm is a rabbit hole for setup that has worked for 1 person exceptionally in the last 12 years. All of this is built around a brands design aesthetic - which is beautiful but Ducati has move passed this as being more precious then consistent results now and into the future.
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the first and second sentences clearly explain that first comes an all new V4 platform, then next comes the R version of it. This is how they have always done this.

Pre 22 wsbk championship they were working towards possible shuffling this traditional roll out and there were strong mention that a new R would land first... Then the championship was landed AND still looming supply chain issues that caused everything to roll back. Hence the 23 R and where we are now

the article says road going first then race - but they are all road going.
 
SuperDomestique said:
But they’ve done all the hard work already when it comes to SSSA. Now they need to recover that cost and amortize the R&D. Moving to a DSSA will re-incur these costs, time, and resources.

The DSSA will come with Ducati’s electric motorcycle to manage the extra torque
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Not sure if you have ever watched Moto gp but they don't have SSSA, I think they might even have some data from that race series not sure
 
KarlKani said:
Not sure if you have ever watched Moto gp but they don't have SSSA, I think they might even have some data from that race series not sure
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Agreed but different applications. The sssa that WSBK uses is different to the road version already and they already have that data to work off of. Why make life hard? Don’t rock the boat if you’re winning
 
spooky said:
Nobody in any sport (or in business for that matter) would think if you are winning you stop trying to improve… that’s how you stop winning.
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So you’re currently dominating a championship with a SSSA and want to switch to DSSA on a whim because you think it’ll help. Who said stop improving? Iterate on what works for you. Switching to a DSSA poses lots of risk.

Conversely, by this logic DSSA bikes not winning should switch to SSSA.
 
KarlKani said:
The reason to change something that works is that if you zoom out and analyze the time and money that has gone into making a SSSA package work it does not make sense. From a practically stand point a double sided swingarm eliminates SO MANY arbitrary factors to making a package work ie setup. Having eccentric hub alone btw gearing + swingarm is a rabbit hole for setup that has worked for 1 person exceptionally in the last 12 years. All of this is built around a brands design aesthetic - which is beautiful but Ducati has move passed this as being more precious then consistent results now and into the future.
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Total nonsense what you wrote there. @SuperDomestique nicely summarized it above.

But I guess I'm not mechanically versed to see how Ducati sees competition and regulations in next 2-5 years. I guess they have better idea where all this is going.
 

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