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every single way and looks are subjective. funny i am on the bmw site too and they never have to defend the performance, things falling off, bad torque curve, and they dont need thousands of dollars in add ons to get the performance it should have in the first place.
 
YOU MUST GET THE AKRO SHORTY EXHAUST! sell the comp exhaust which is heavier [has cat] and doesnt sound that great. the shorty sounds best of all bikes to date...there's a way to add the shorty slip-on i believe to the ti headers that come with the comp....

i was giving people heart attacks with it! bus driver screamed out you scaring me and gave me thumbs up.

even the AR exhaust works better on the bmw LULZ!!!!

mark419ny said:
every single way and looks are subjective. funny i am on the bmw site too and they never have to defend the performance, things falling off, bad torque curve, and they dont need thousands of dollars in add ons to get the performance it should have in the first place.
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hey randall you have or had both the pani and the bmw . honest assessment please
 
mark419ny said:
every single way and looks are subjective. funny i am on the bmw site too and they never have to defend the performance, things falling off, bad torque curve, and they dont need thousands of dollars in add ons to get the performance it should have in the first place.
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Mine had two recalls. One for the connector rod bolts, one for the kickstand bolts. I also had two water pumps that were leaking. Also the stock exhaust is connected to the rearset on the right side. In heavy traffic the inside of the footpeg melted the sole of my Alpinestars boot. I haven't had any issues with the 1199 yet.

VAST said:
YOU MUST GET THE AKRO SHORTY EXHAUST! sell the comp exhaust which is heavier [has cat] and doesnt sound that great. the shorty sounds best of all bikes to date...there's a way to add the shorty slip-on i believe to the ti headers that come with the comp....

i was giving people heart attacks with it! bus driver screamed out you scaring me and gave me thumbs up.

even the AR exhaust works better on the bmw LULZ!!!!
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AR is trash on any bike IMO. And the shorty Akra exhaust is ridiculously loud on the S1K. I went with the long can Akra Evo which shaves 17 lbs and puts the S1K within 20lbs of the 1199.
 
mark419ny said:
hey randall you have or had both the pani and the bmw . honest assessment please
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Here's my opinion on both bikes. Keep in mind this is a street riding review only. I refuse to track a clean titled 20 grand bike. I track a Frankenstein, salvage titled, 2007 GSXR600 that I can crash and not cry about. I ride somewhat fast in the street. Not ludicrous speed like some people I know, but I'm no choir boy.

I have a 2012 S1K with traction control, quick shifter, and ABS. I added an Akra exhaust, PCV, Corsa windscreen, and Tech Spec tank grips. The bike is a great overall package. The seat is firm, yet comfortable. The seating position isn't bad for a sportbike. The fit and finish is quality.

On the road, the bike flat out hauls ass. Power everywhere, even in 6th gear. Wide open throttle between 10K and 14K, the power is so violent, you'd have to experience it yourself to truly understand. I'm still not used to it. This is the fastest bike I ever owned (I had a 2006 ZX-14 and 2011 Hayabusa among others). The cornering is very stable, and the suspension is very compliant over bumps, especially for a stock set up. It does require quite a bit of muscle to change directions quickly, because it's kind of heavy. The quickshifter is smooth and fast, but the wheelie control is very abrupt. When you lift the from wheel, the TC cuts the power and the front slams down. The brakes are strong and linear, but BMW cheaped out with a Nissan MC. I'm 6'1", 205 lbs, and the fairings offer good protection. I can easily squeeze under them in a tight tuck. My bike came with Metzeler Racetec K3's which are great tires. Fast warm up, sticky, stable, and fair longeevity. The best part about the S1K is the bike works well whether you're cruising, obeying the rules of the road. Or if you're railing it balls to the wall.

I have a 2013 Base 1199 ABS. I have Termignoni slips with the latest up map, Corsa windcsreen, and Tech Spec tank grips. The stock seat was slippery and hard, so I bought the DP race seat. That changed the seating position slightly. I now sit higher, and my balls don't get crushed during heavy braking. The seating position is definitely more race oriented than the S1K's. The reach to the bars seems further and you're more hunched over. Fit and finish is top notch.

On the road, the bike is a mixed bag. The bike seems timid, until you reach 8K RPM. Then it explodes with a rush of power and torque. That makes it slightly wheelie. I like that. But it requires more attention to be smooth. While cornering, the bike is a little busy. The suspension is harder than the S1K and doesnt absorb bumps as well. As long as the road is perfectly smooth the 1199's handling is superb. But bumps really upset the suspension more than the S1K. I've learned to ignore the little skips and jumps the bike does over bumps, and just keep the throttle open. The TC is really smooth, and it doesn't chop the throttles during wheelies. When changing directions, the 1199 is telepathic. Just look where you want to go. It requires so little muscle to change direction. It truly feels like a 600. The quickshifter does feel a little sluggish though. Sometimes there's a little jerk while using it, but that's always at RPM's lower than 8K. The brakes are very strong, and have less initial bite than the S1K, which I personally like better. The wind protection isn't so good, the 1199's fairing are tiny. I had to buy a skin tight leather jacket to stop the wind buffering at high speeds. The Supercorsa SP V2's are the best tires I've ever rode on. Very confidence inspiring. The 1199 makes me want to ride fast at all times. The motor and suspension don't seem settled when cruising. At legal speeds my wrists and back hurt. Not to mention the heat which frys your legs and crotch. This bike wasn't made for the street, that's the biggest difference between it and the S1K.

If I only had one bike overall, I'd pick the S1K. If I could only have one sportbike, it would be the 1199. The 1199 looks like it's from the future. The S1K looks cool, but it's not the same. There's something else about the 1199 that's hard to explain. The way it makes me feel. The vibration, the noise, the stiff suspension, the throttle response, the riding position. I feel like I'm the fastest rider ever while on it. But it's an illusion, because I'm faster on the S1K. The 1199 is really something special, that has to be riden, to really understand. The S1K appeals to my logical side. The 1199 appeals to my emotional side. They're very different bikes. Equally as good, but in different ways. It really depends on what's most important to you.
 
I like this comment " The S1K appeals to my logical side. The 1199 appeals to my emotional side. " since I personally do NOT like the look of the BMW with its two different headlights and weird fairings, and very invasive TC. Never been a Beemer guy and never will - but I cant deny that the bike breaks tons of records all over the place and is well worth the money IMHO.

Very good post Randall. You and Mark419 should def meet up sometime in NYC and talk shop.
 
Randall that was a great post. ive never ridden the bmw but its all i drive. i have to go get some work done in a few weeks to the pani. the signals dont work. i will take out an s1000rr and give it a spin.
 
They have a demo you can just take out Mark? Oh, I forgot you have a deposit on a new one which makes it easier to do so I guess. Im sure you will provide us with one of your great reviews on everything too! :)
 
Gunny Fitz said:
They have a demo you can just take out Mark? Oh, I forgot you have a deposit on a new one which makes it easier to do so I guess. Im sure you will provide us with one of your great reviews on everything too! :)
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they do have demos of the s1000rr. actually stealership has many different bikes to demo. the reason i never get anything is cause i am always trying on helmets or gear or talking to parts or service. i mentally store what i see and then i look for anything i really like online. i use to argue the prices but now i dont bother. they always ask me if i want to take a ride. this time i will
 
I've ridden the sik on the track for 4 full days at CSS. I don't have anything bad to say about it, it's the most stable bike at speed I've ridden. I actually agree with Randall... for the most part about the brakes and suspension, although I felt for the weight of the bike it turned well in switch backs. I didn't think it was anything special in the low to mid range though, above 10K it's a freak all the way to 14K. The bike makes me look/feel like I'm a better rider than I am and that's confidence inspiring. With that said, I still love riding the 1199, it's a challenge for me to ride fast. I don't think that's a bad thing, it makes you ride within your limits or it will bite. With that said, I have a downpayment on an HP4 and have yet decided what I'm really going to do.
 
I've ridden both on the track and on the road. The BMW is a beast.
The engine brake and traction control on the Panigale eclipse the BMW.
The brakes are the same.
Obviously nothing needs said about looks.
The BMW is crappy plastic junk.
 
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bmw is superior in every way, save for aesthetics....
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Not really an accurate statement.

Are the BMW's headlights superior? No they aren't. That's just one example. But then again I'm trying to rationalize with a non-Panigale enthusiast on a ....... Panigale forum. :rolleyes:
 
FrostyFire said:
Not really an accurate statement.

Are the BMW's headlights superior? No they aren't. That's just one example. But then again I'm trying to rationalize with a non-Panigale enthusiast on a ....... Panigale forum. :rolleyes:
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its a panigale forum yes but you dont have to be blind to all the problems the bike has. it looks great yes end of story. do you know why the lights are different on the bmw? do you know why the fairings are different on each side?
its because everything on the bike has function. BMW = function over form. the lights are different because 2 led high beams weigh more. the fairings are shaped for the different parts of the engine that need cooling. (seems to work hear any heat complaints on the bmw?)
i know this is a pani forum and i have a pani but i am also not blind to the fact that this bike needs a lot of work. unless you have audi stock why so loyal?
facts are facts. the bmw is a better bike accept it. it hasnt lost a comparison in how many years? the R doesnt come close to the hp4. hell it doesnt even beat the ape.

So in actuality the BMW lights are better than the 1199
 
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I've got both - HP4 comp. The BMW is faster, period.

I can go into details of superior suspension, ease of setup, turn in, mid corner stability and speed, electronics, yada yada but the above is the end result and most important, no?

Cheers
 

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