Austin Racing Inconel Install - Part II

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Trans.... I really do not believe that there are many people who both agree with Rich and can argue eloquently....

lol, There is some unfortunate truth in that statement.

I'm ok with debates, people have different opinions. But it's a lot more interesting and convincing when people give a well thought out rebuttal and state there case with facts or references... instead we just get called names and told we should shut up
 
lol, There is some unfortunate truth in that statement.

I'm ok with debates, people have different opinions. But it's a lot more interesting and convincing when people give a well thought out rebuttal and state there case with facts or references... instead we just get called names and told we should shut up

Historically this has been the case.. and I agree... A well thought out response would have been awesome.... Even if in the end I didn't agree I would certainly respect the position taken by that person.. as it stands I have zero respect for Rich.. Burnsy and anyone else who resorts to mud slinging and not a well thought out narrative....

There have been no winners in the whole thing.. except perhaps the truth... and I think we are all diminished somewhat by this whole situation...
 
Based on the fact that we've been arguing for months about a virtually irrelevant product (5.6% market share on here where it's certainly most known), I'm about ready to give in. Having sold a staggering dozens of units worldwide, I don't really see what there is left to discuss. It seems the product, owner, and sales data have probably spoken louder and more clearly than any forum member ever could.
 
just look at the stats -- i'm merely stating facts.

Interesting . I don't like the way AR handled them self on here at all but don't confuse a few like minded individuals as yourself to be making some sort of forum ruling here .
To suggest that someone has been dealt with and it's over for AR here . When the .... did that rule get made can I get a seat on the board ?
Forums hey .
 
just look at the stats -- i'm merely stating facts.

There has been a lot of stat looking in this whole debacle . Let's stop looking at stats and analyzing every far kin thing and just get on with it .
AR's biggest mistake was insulting forum members we get that . His product has issues we get that as well how he fixes that time will tell .
He will either go broke or have global domination who the .... knows .
But arguing for the sake of arguing is now just boring .
 
if you were to go all the way back to the time when AR came here, you'd find that many of us, myself included, were very supportive and rooting for Rich to pull this off. just something to think about.



There has been a lot of stat looking in this whole debacle . Let's stop looking at stats and analyzing every far kin thing and just get on with it .
AR's biggest mistake was insulting forum members we get that . His product has issues we get that as well how he fixes that time will tell .
He will either go broke or have global domination who the .... knows .
But arguing for the sake of arguing is now just boring .
 
if you were to go all the way back to the time when AR came here, you'd find that many of us, myself included, were very supportive and rooting for Rich to pull this off. just something to think about.

This has already been said dude . Let's go and find another target in this forum .
Thats always fun .
 
Historically this has been the case.. and I agree... A well thought out response would have been awesome.... Even if in the end I didn't agree I would certainly respect the position taken by that person.. as it stands I have zero respect for Rich.. Burnsy and anyone else who resorts to mud slinging and not a well thought out narrative....

There have been no winners in the whole thing.. except perhaps the truth... and I think we are all diminished somewhat by this whole situation...

I agree.
+100000

Actually I've been thinking this for the last couple of days:eek:
 
well i just said it, again. there are no other targets on this forum because everything's copacetic here save for AR. let's hope this is the last AR thread.

This has already been said dude . Let's go and find another target in this forum .
Thats always fun .
 
This is certainly an anomally, I cannot think of another battle. If Rich would stay off, I am sure this will die eventually. We are un-modded, and this stuff is bound to happen with these type a personalities. I am sure at a pub we would all get along, except right after meeting Burnsy, I'd punch him in the face and say "I'm good", lets have a beer! I'm sure someone else has done that before :D

If I may, i would like to add one more thing.

I am of the opinion that at the end of the day it would be possible to truly meet at the pub, and share a couple of drinks and sort this out in a fair and reasonable fashion.

However, someone who shall remain nameless has done more damage to this forum in so few posts, that it beggars belief.
It appears, for all intents and purposes to be trolling. Judging by his demeanour.

This individual (reading between the lines) is an AR fanboy due to the simple reason that AR is fitting a system to an 1199 R, presumably owned by himself.
The individual has IMO to date contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING POSITIVE in any post whatsoever.
This individual has been guilty of back stabbing someone who was mistakenly trying to be helpful, by running to Rich and telling tales (.... stirring). This act alone has directly resulted in serious damage to the relationship between the vendor and the most model customer any manufacturer could possibly wish for, ultimately back flowing (like .... up a sewer pipe) into the forum and propelling this matter in ever decreasing circles downward.

And this is the worst example of AR's business model, the fact that he implied to the model customer on a public forum that he ultimately may well not get his heat shield after all the work/money the customer had put into getting it to produce the claimed performance levels.

IMO AR has it's share of problems. The least of which is the (you're either with me or against me) attitude/belief system of the Promoter/Customer Service Representative.
Which caused the model customer to feel intimidated to the point where he felt as though he had to play a percentage game with the vendor.
I totally empathise with the model customer in this case. It must have been a very uneasy feeling having to deal with on that level.

Trauma, personally i'm inclined to think we may well have to flip a coin to see who will lay the first punch on this .... stiring mongrel:-(

Further, I still believe the product is good.
I do find the material interesting, but I suspect it needs to be thin walled to get the weight down. Therein lies the structural issue.
It just needs to be reengineered a bit to make it truely fit for service.
In terms of value for money after one factors in the extra costs/complexities associated with getting it all working on the dyno???????????
Then to top it all off one has to buy the heat shield separately, which should come standard with the system due to genuine safety reasons to prevent accidental burns.

Termi Slips rule baby:D

Cheers,
Termi fanboy;)
 
I also love the look and sound of the AR pipe, but after reading all of this I will hang back for a while, especially as I have a full Termignoni system and up map on my baby. I will have these Ceramic coated inside and out by Powerkote and see what happens.

I have already ordered a gloss Carbon Fiber fairing, clear race screen, Carbon Fiber fuel cap, clutch and brake levers and adjustment cable from AR and will tell you guys how it all turned out.

I will still be at least three months in Iraq before I am back home though so you all will have to wait for the review.
 

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