Austin Racing Inconel Install - Part II
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Derailed AGAIN!!!
How about now? Derailed...again! I think this thread was done at about... page 3
Hahaaaa.... It makes it a challenge to sift out the good info from the entertainment and then it really goes sideways from there. Forums, gotta luv em
Not so sure I agree that Part 1 was derailed..but I agree... Group hug and end of this matter...
How about now? Derailed...again! I think this thread was done at about... page 3
Hahaaaa.... It makes it a challenge to sift out the good info from the entertainment and then it really goes sideways from there. Forums, gotta luv em
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Thinking about reinstalling my waaaaambulance avatar for all the whiners who don't like the direction of every thread. Lighten up Internet ........ Don't read the threads if you don't like them. Oh, and thanks WAF
Yes, it would be great if the Internet ....... would go somewhere else. I would just like to read the facts on this kind of technical/mechanical thread. I think there is a place for the internet ....... to show each other how funny they are. It is so boring to see the same boring people to hijack these posts with their own unfunny BS.
This was supposed to be a clean thread.
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If I had to sum it up so far:
The AR gets just as hot as the Termi but cools down quicker. It's thinner, different metal and not shielded so that makes sense.
Also during the Tuneboy tune they did make some differences to when the fan comes on but Wayne will have to fill in here as I can't remember what they did.
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Oh, I didn't realize YOU had declared this would be a "clean thread." On behalf of everyone that's not YOU, so sorry to clog up YOUR Internet. Get over yourself self-chosen one.
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Exactly what I meant.
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How about now? Derailed...again! I think this thread was done at about... page 3
Nature of the beast...
.. No complaints here though... We are all free to read,,ignore or leave..lolOk...Question here... I guess here is as good a place as any...
Given AR's (Rich) attitude and behaviour etc on here (and other places) do you guys think Rich should apologise to everyone on here?? My thoughts are that he was rude unprofessional and generally abusive to many people and whilst it is obvious how a lot of people will feel about this question I am intrigued to know how members that have been such stalwart supporters of him all along are feeling now???
Please note I am not nor would I ever advocate or support a ban...
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Nature of the beast...
Ok...Question here... I guess here is as good a place as any...
Given AR's (Rich) attitude and behaviour etc on here (and other places) do you guys think Rich should apologise to everyone on here?? My thoughts are that he was rude unprofessional and generally abusive to many people and whilst it is obvious how a lot of people will feel about this question I am intrigued to know how members that have been such stalwart supporters of him all along are feeling now???
Please note I am not nor would I ever advocate or support a ban...
I dont think he will.
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So to be clear this was the setup:
- unplugged rear wheel speed sensor.
- high speed air into front of bike. (couldn't stand in front of it)
- turned off ABS, EBC and DTC
- ran in Track mode
- ran 98 octane gas.
- bike was nicely warmed up after 2.5 hr ride
- Tuneboy tune
The graphs attached represent my bike with AR Inconel system compared with a customer 1199 of Bunbury Ducati plus one against their 1199 with full system. I am going to post TQ graphs in a separate post. Neither bike was tuned.
1. Stock standard 1199 pipes
2. Termi Slip-ons
3. Termi 70mm full system
4. Termi 70mm full system on Bunbury Ducati bike
The runs on the other bikes were performed on the same dyno but on different days.
I'm pressed for time now so I'm going to post the three compares plus the TQ charts.
The executive summary is:
AR Inconel: 190.90HP/94.80TQ
Stock standard 1199 pipes: 183.80HP/91.11TQ
Termi Slip-ons: 186.91HP/93.18
Termi 70mm Full (latest up-map): 189.78HP/? (sorry missed the TQ chart)
Termi 70mm full system on Bunbury Ducati bike: 193.75HP/96.02TQ
Four key takeouts for me:
1. There is very little between the AR system and my Termi slips, as we saw on our previous dyno run but there is a not insignificant hole in power and an even bigger one in TQ in favour of the Termi Slips.
2. Overall the AR system HP wise performs better than the customer bike from 6800 onwards (tight towards the end). There is a bigger hole between 6-7 on the AR system. (again don't have the TQ graph, will have to source.
3. Compared to the Termi full system, apart from that hole 6-7, the AR pipes can perform better where it counts, although the BD bike did better at peak HP, and if they could sort that hole then it would be a good alternative with sound and weight taken into account.
4. Compared to the Slip-ons the AR system doesn't look great value as overall the Termi-slips perform better from a normal riding perspective.
So on balance I am happy that the AR system has delivered comparable numbers as a full system alternative. Do I wish someone else had spent the $5k to learn this before I ditched the Slips, absolutely
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Does this not give you all you need??? Not sure whats open for discussion..
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people,
it's nothing more than common courtesy that is being asked for. i don't think any of you would appreciate his/her own thread or questions seeking help responded to in the same fashion that we're seeing here and in other (related) threads. if it were to continue, and at the end of the day, there would be very few individuals left at this portal, and its worth would be close to nothing.
thanks,
it's nothing more than common courtesy that is being asked for. i don't think any of you would appreciate his/her own thread or questions seeking help responded to in the same fashion that we're seeing here and in other (related) threads. if it were to continue, and at the end of the day, there would be very few individuals left at this portal, and its worth would be close to nothing.
thanks,
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Well why dont you try posting something constructive that adds/fuels a debate...Instead of just whining??? Sorry but I don't get the issue... just leaving comments that the thread isn't going your way is an exercise in futility...
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Good. Me too let's all sit silently while WAF talks to himself since he's the only one that could possibly have "facts" about his bike. Great site
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But there were 5 useful! rotflmao
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Nature of the beast...
Ok...Question here... I guess here is as good a place as any...
Given AR's (Rich) attitude and behaviour etc on here (and other places) do you guys think Rich should apologise to everyone on here?? My thoughts are that he was rude unprofessional and generally abusive to many people and whilst it is obvious how a lot of people will feel about this question I am intrigued to know how members that have been such stalwart supporters of him all along are feeling now???
Please note I am not nor would I ever advocate or support a ban...
Disregarding the back and forth between the few of you, and the flame fanning happening in both threads, the results have been clear as day.
The AR exhaust "tuned" performs as Rich has said it would. Following his setup parameters, WAf was able to reproduce his results.
Can't really argue that it does not perform as advertised untuned, because it wasn't tested untuned on Bunbury's Dyno.
Does it produce more power than the Termi equivalent? That's a great question. It appears the answer is no. But keep in mind that it was claimed max performance is achieved with 0 baffles installed. To claim the system out performs anything else though is beyond a stretch...
Does he Rich offer a great product? I would say yes. The AR exhaust is an excellent option to the Termi Full and probably the Akrapovic unobtanium system.
Rapid Bikes modules (preloaded with maps) do not seem to work for anyone outside the UK. Rich has some work to do on that item and I would guess Rapid Bikes modules will not sell well outside the UK. So one should likely spend their earnings on another tuning method. If one has to dyno tune the RB module outside the UK, may as well look into Tuneboy, PC, or Rexxer.
Do you need a p#&&y guard I mean heat shield?
I would say no, if you use the 1199 for its intended purpose while wearing leathers. On the street, though, you'd be crazy to not have one. As we all know, the option will soon be available. It really should be included for free though.This whole talk of banning is tomfoolery. I'm sure no one here gets along with everyone. Buttons were pushed and mud was slung. WAf got his results. The AR exhaust is a nice piece. Pick the exhaust you want and be happy. We all ride Ducs and tomorrow's a new day.
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