Austin Racing Undertail Exhaust for 1199/1299

How is this system allowed on any track out there? Panigale stock has a hard time as it is. I'd imagine this to be a nightmare.

Mutt1979 said:

"gives your Panigale a deep angry Ducati sound, almost like a tiger, lion, and bear combined" and "Plus, the look it produces is a chick magnet". Who you trying to sell this to? 10 year olds?

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LOL agreed the lines are a bit much especially for the Ducati market because id suspect most owners are a bit more mature. Im super juvenile though so they sold me at the tiger, lion and bear combined bahaha

double0 said:

How is this system allowed on any track out there? Panigale stock has a hard time as it is. I'd imagine this to be a nightmare.

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Like you said even a stock panigale has a hard time at most tracks so whats the difference between this and any other brand exhaust being banned? If your stock panigale is barely passing theres no way ANY other brand is passing unless you put in the db killers but then that would affect the power.

Just placed an order for the Redline undertail. We'll see how it goes.

panhandler said:

LOL agreed the lines are a bit much especially for the Ducati market because id suspect most owners are a bit more mature. Im super juvenile though so they sold me at the tiger, lion and bear combined bahaha



Like you said even a stock panigale has a hard time at most tracks so whats the difference between this and any other brand exhaust being banned? If your stock panigale is barely passing theres no way ANY other brand is passing unless you put in the db killers but then that would affect the power.

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107 stock vs prolly 115 dB AR

This morning the team got some decibel readings, with the bike at 5000 rpm and the meter set 10 feet away at a 45 degree angle we got 107dB.

Redline Moto said:

This morning the team got some decibel readings, with the bike at 5000 rpm and the meter set 10 feet away at a 45 degree angle we got 107dB.

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Thanks for the update, but 10 ft away? Where do your ex-racers and top engineers get their sound tests done? This is basics, I'm not impressed........ sorry

Redline Moto said:

This morning the team got some decibel readings, with the bike at 5000 rpm and the meter set 10 feet away at a 45 degree angle we got 107dB.

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Are you able to get noise test results conducted at an official trackday? I think people basically want the reassurance of the accuracy of your reading and ideally more than one, as if the system proves too loud, its a non starter for anyone wanting to track their bike in which case DB killers become a serious design consideration. Noise measurements in the UK are usually taken at 0.5m statically, and at 20m for a ride by test. Average figures, though some tracks are more stringent range from 102-105db static & 89-92db ride-by.

DB killers need to be an option I feel, as if your system is 107db, it's going to rule it out for many. For street use it's fine, but you'd still want the option if available, depending on how much you like your neighbours and the local law enforcement like you! I run a full Akra system on the road with no DB killers and no problems thus far, but I always have the option of fitting the DB killers if I ever needed to. As an example, for more info read here:

http://www.snetterton.co.uk/media/975291/snnoisedocument_for_website_2010_rm.pdf

Phl said:

107 stock vs prolly 115 dB AR

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LOL at the prolly, i use that all the time in my texts and my buddies thought i didnt know how to spell probably.

I know the AR is lethally loud but my comment was more to say that any aftermarket exhaust would be banned if the track had a strict noise limit and not just the AR. I felt doubleo' s post wasnt really fair to AR because im pretty sure all the AM exhaust brands would fail without a db killer but then you're losing hp.

I know theres major animosity towards AR but when posts arent exactly true or fair ill put my 2 cents in

What is the HP? What is the torque? Thanks.

topolino said:

Are you able to get noise test results conducted at an official trackday? I think people basically want the reassurance of the accuracy of your reading and ideally more than one, as if the system proves too loud, its a non starter for anyone wanting to track their bike in which case DB killers become a serious design consideration. Noise measurements in the UK are usually taken at 0.5m statically, and at 20m for a ride by test. Average figures, though some tracks are more stringent range from 102-105db static & 89-92db ride-by.

DB killers need to be an option I feel, as if your system is 107db, it's going to rule it out for many. For street use it's fine, but you'd still want the option if available, depending on how much you like your neighbours and the local law enforcement like you! I run a full Akra system on the road with no DB killers and no problems thus far, but I always have the option of fitting the DB killers if I ever needed to.

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Okay, maybe I've been a bit harsh. But seriously, for you to sell this you need bhp figures, DB figures and drop the juvenile marketing. It screams amature which reflects badly on what could potentially be a great product.

You should consider some sort of DB killer otherwise it's a no from a lot of people. Speculating that it's not as loud as an R6 on the gas doesn't cut it. We want facts and proof, real testing.

And if your team is as good as you make out, then you should be doing your homework on basics like noise testing methods. From my perspective at the moment, your top engineers sound like someone from university with a piece of paper and your ex- racer must be someone who has maybe done the odd trackday or two.

It does sound hard I know, but take this as constructive critisism. If you're genuine and want to make a success of this, based on the look of the product alone, you really have something here. But you need to look at the bigger picture.......... not squids!!

Mutt1979 said:

Okay, maybe I've been a bit harsh. But seriously, for you to sell this you need bhp figures, DB figures and drop the juvenile marketing. It screams amature which reflects badly on what could potentially be a great product.

You should consider some sort of DB killer otherwise it's a no from a lot of people. Speculating that it's not as loud as an R6 on the gas doesn't cut it. We want facts and proof, real testing.

And if your team is as good as you make out, then you should be doing your homework on basics like noise testing methods. From my perspective at the moment, your top engineers sound like someone from university with a piece of paper and your ex- racer must be someone who has maybe done the odd trackday or two.

It does sound hard I know, but take this as constructive critisism. If you're genuine and want to make a success of this, based on the look of the product alone, you really have something here. But you need to look at the bigger picture.......... not squids!!

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I take it you meant to direct this at Redline Moto and not me Mutt? I don't represent them in any way in case anyone is wondering. I'm just trying as we all seem to be, to get them to understand they have a potentially good product but they need to address several key points first. DB killers, professional noise test readings and dyno figures, being just some of them.

topolino said:

I take it you meant to direct this at Redline Moto and not me Mutt? I don't represent them in any way in case anyone is wondering. I'm just trying as we all seem to be, to get them to understand they have a potentially good product but they need to address several key points first. DB killers, professional noise test readings and dyno figures, being just some of them.

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Yeah sorry, I criticised and you gave them a more helpful answer! I merely repeated your comment to emphasize my point

Mutt1979 said:

Yeah sorry, I criticised and you gave them a more helpful answer! I merely repeated your comment to emphasize my point

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No worries! I hope they chime in soon with some responses.

what are u planning to use for the underbelly of the bike?


PS: here is a video if the Redline exhaust at idle

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To everyone concerned about the dB testing, our tests we done based off of data we received from CCS and how they test at race days. The next race event this bike will be at is during the weekend of October 21. We will have the bike tested once again there and post those official results on our site.

To those concerned about the legitimacy of our staff and team, all of our members are experienced in their fields, and we all have a passion for motorcycles. Our Racers have been involved in the sport for years and still are. We have seen the rise and fall of other products, and take those failures as examples of what we must create to satisfy what other racers desire.
Additionally we are all just trying to have a good time with the project we have started and bring a reliable product to the market. We are always open to suggestions from the community and consider all of the ideas offered to us.

To those concerned about the HP and torque figures, we have been to the dyno and did several pulls, we consistently gained both HP and torque. The reason we don't have any charts up is at the fault of the shop we went to. we have been trying to work with them for the past couple of weeks to receive the charts that were intended to be emailed to us. Somehow our charts have been lost and we have yet to receive them, we will be going for another run at a different shop within the next couple of weeks.

Redline Moto said:

To those concerned about the legitimacy of our staff and team, all of our members are experienced in their fields, and we all have a passion for motorcycles. Our Racers have been involved in the sport for years and still are. We have seen the rise and fall of other products, and take those failures as examples of what we must create to satisfy what other racers desire.
Additionally we are all just trying to have a good time with the project we have started and bring a reliable product to the market. We are always open to suggestions from the community and consider all of the ideas offered to us.

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That said, can you also add your input to the UK forum thread as well please. Noting that the UK trackday limits are on average 92db static and 102db ride by, if your system is as you say 107db, you are going to have to supply Db killers, as for trackday riders, without them it's a non starter. Also when are you going to be able to provide dyno figures? If this is a business marketing a potentially very viable product, why is this not being prioritized? It doesn't not take that long to organize a dyno session. Or maybe two different ones to get a more balanced appraisal. I don't wish to sound harsh but the time frame between someone either here or on the UK forum posing a valid question or concern and receiving an answer, is not being addressed in what most would conceive to be a timely manner. It gives the impression that Redline Moto is being run as a secondary priority. The natural conclusion being: Is RM run as an aside to a full time job/commitment by handful of individuals or is this a full on 24/7 project/company with commited staff keen to make a name for itself? A distinction between the two would help people understand where you are coming from. Ie enthusiasts running a business in their spare time or a full time commitment sole business run with dedicated staff. Again don't take this as criticism, more a need for some insight into where you guys are at in terms of involvement with the company and along what lines it's run, as laid out above.

Redline Moto said:

To those concerned about the HP and torque figures, we have been to the dyno and did several pulls, we consistently gained both HP and torque. The reason we don't have any charts up is at the fault of the shop we went to. we have been trying to work with them for the past couple of weeks to receive the charts that were intended to be emailed to us. Somehow our charts have been lost and we have yet to receive them, we will be going for another run at a different shop within the next couple of weeks.

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OK paperwork I can accept you might not have or at least a screen shot of the dyno monitors but you must KNOW what the baseline figures were if you were there surely? Even if you were to quote a figure now, you've only to back it up with a chart or two once you receive them or get another dyno session organized. Again dont wish to appear rude but I am sensing a reluctance to be candid about your product. I for one really like what you have done but any reticance to be forthcoming, open and outright, sends up red flags for many people when being asked to part with almost $3000, especially as you are a new to market company and forgive me, an unkown quantity.

As harsh as you sound I do agree with you. Yet, from what we see on the market today Redline still has my money. Akrapovic would prob cost a crap load Austin Racing well not a huge fan. SC i heard nth from them yet and I hate the look of the Terms... Am i missing anything else?