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You sad bunch of muther fukkas. Rich is gone and you still blast the dude....
I was with yer man today and can tell ya he has gone.....
I am stickin about to put you all straight and here is the first thing you need to know.
You all no ... all nothin about exhaust design so shut up pretending you do. You all no ... all about Inco or silencer work. You forget rich is from F1, top of the tree, stuff is passed down to bike exhaust design the 1199 system is pure un ...... about with gas flow design an will outperform anything put against it. My bike today hit 200 once we pulled the termi system off and put the austin on. Yeh it's loud but its pure sex..... Now you all lost out on the research results and a lot more rich was going to share with you all. I am not posting my information or nuthin for you to see coz you deserve ... all after the way you treated the dude. ...how many manufacturers do you no of building exhausts for current F1 cars putting the technology accross to bikes..... Only the 1 and you just ...... them off this forum...... Oh yeh take a look at this months performance bikes, last weeks Mcn, 6 months worth of fast bikes.... Keep an eye on the wsb team ...garage...... You lot just think you no all but no ... all....
Stupid bunch of cok suckers......fatboy wind your fukin neck in you prick...
 
Another classic Burnsy post... awesomely informative...
 
Burnsy said:
You sad bunch of muther fukkas. Rich is gone and you still blast the dude....
I was with yer man today and can tell ya he has gone.....
I am stickin about to put you all straight and here is the first thing you need to know.
You all no ... all nothin about exhaust design so shut up pretending you do. You all no ... all about Inco or silencer work. You forget rich is from F1, top of the tree, stuff is passed down to bike exhaust design the 1199 system is pure un ...... about with gas flow design an will outperform anything put against it. My bike today hit 200 once we pulled the termi system off and put the austin on. Yeh it's loud but its pure sex..... Now you all lost out on the research results and a lot more rich was going to share with you all. I am not posting my information or nuthin for you to see coz you deserve ... all after the way you treated the dude. ...how many manufacturers do you no of building exhausts for current F1 cars putting the technology accross to bikes..... Only the 1 and you just ...... them off this forum...... Oh yeh take a look at this months performance bikes, last weeks Mcn, 6 months worth of fast bikes.... Keep an eye on the wsb team ...garage...... You lot just think you no all but no ... all....
Stupid bunch of cok suckers......fatboy wind your fukin neck in you prick...
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That hurt to read.
 
Burnsy said:
You sad bunch of muther fukkas. Rich is gone and you still blast the dude....
I was with yer man today and can tell ya he has gone.....
I am stickin about to put you all straight and here is the first thing you need to know.
You all no ... all nothin about exhaust design so shut up pretending you do. You all no ... all about Inco or silencer work. You forget rich is from F1, top of the tree, stuff is passed down to bike exhaust design the 1199 system is pure un ...... about with gas flow design an will outperform anything put against it. My bike today hit 200 once we pulled the termi system off and put the austin on. Yeh it's loud but its pure sex..... Now you all lost out on the research results and a lot more rich was going to share with you all. I am not posting my information or nuthin for you to see coz you deserve ... all after the way you treated the dude. ...how many manufacturers do you no of building exhausts for current F1 cars putting the technology accross to bikes..... Only the 1 and you just ...... them off this forum...... Oh yeh take a look at this months performance bikes, last weeks Mcn, 6 months worth of fast bikes.... Keep an eye on the wsb team ...garage...... You lot just think you no all but no ... all....
Stupid bunch of cok suckers......fatboy wind your fukin neck in you prick...
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Thought you had an Ape? Now you have a duc with a Termi system? Do you just make .... up as you go along?
 
Burnsy said:
You all no ... all nothin about exhaust design so shut up pretending you do. You all no ... all about Inco or silencer work. .
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Just wanted to comment that I've worked at GE Aviation on turbine engine design where mainstream use of "inco" first started... so I promise you I know more about it and its material properties. I've also been involved on the gearbox side of F1 and Indy, among others motorsports. Although like I've admitted before, I'm not an exhaust expert, but just had to correct you there :) The rest of the post I think I'll refrain from responding to...
 
Rich22 said:
We have agreed that he will stop the insulting posts
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Lie #174..... Bunsy will stop the insulting posts.

Apparently by stop, he really meant come out with one of the most insulting to date... After reading stuff like that, as I said before, I don't care if your new R pipe makes an extra 35hp... I can't bring myself to give $4k to someone that is represented like this. Please have some class. If you disagree, provide a well written rebuttal backed up by facts or logical reasoning, that would go SO much farther than just swearing at all of us.
 
transdesigner said:
Lie #174..... Bunsy will stop the insulting posts.

Apparently by stop, he really meant come out with one of the most insulting to date... After reading stuff like that, as I said before, I don't care if your new R pipe makes an extra 35hp... I can't bring myself to give $4k to someone that is represented like this. Please have some class. If you disagree, provide a well written rebuttal backed up by facts or logical reasoning, that would go SO much farther than just swearing at all of us.
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I don't believe bugsy has the intelligence to write without his usual swear words and attacks. Generally, people with low IQ's resort to name calling like this as there simply is nothing else available to use in their vocabulary. I don't think he can help it...he's just dumb:confused:
 
This IS Rich guys! He used some exact wording from Rich's earlier posts. And RichBurns, he/u aren't our "man", we're even sure u are a man.
 
Burnsy said:
You sad bunch of muther fukkas. Rich is gone and you still blast the dude....
I was with yer man today and can tell ya he has gone.....
I am stickin about to put you all straight and here is the first thing you need to know.
You all no ... all nothin about exhaust design so shut up pretending you do. You all no ... all about Inco or silencer work. You forget rich is from F1, top of the tree, stuff is passed down to bike exhaust design the 1199 system is pure un ...... about with gas flow design an will outperform anything put against it. My bike today hit 200 once we pulled the termi system off and put the austin on. Yeh it's loud but its pure sex..... Now you all lost out on the research results and a lot more rich was going to share with you all. I am not posting my information or nuthin for you to see coz you deserve ... all after the way you treated the dude. ...how many manufacturers do you no of building exhausts for current F1 cars putting the technology accross to bikes..... Only the 1 and you just ...... them off this forum...... Oh yeh take a look at this months performance bikes, last weeks Mcn, 6 months worth of fast bikes.... Keep an eye on the wsb team ...garage...... You lot just think you no all but no ... all....
Stupid bunch of cok suckers......fatboy wind your fukin neck in you prick...
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LOL. I think AR need to spend more money on PR . Your a fucken ..... mate .
 
Again for anyone reading this for the first time, I bought the AR 'inconel' system and am therefore a 'customer'. I've put plenty of mileage on the product and I'm happy to answer questions about the product and service. :D
 
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transdesigner said:
Just wanted to comment that I've worked at GE Aviation on turbine engine design where mainstream use of "inco" first started... so I promise you I know more about it and its material properties. I've also been involved on the gearbox side of F1 and Indy, among others motorsports. Although like I've admitted before, I'm not an exhaust expert, but just had to correct you there :) The rest of the post I think I'll refrain from responding to...
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Hey Trans - you might be able to help me understand something.

When my AR system broke it cracked around the purged weld that held the bracket in place. To someone with no background in these things, and to my mechanics it looked like there was not enough surface area contact, ie. forces were being concentrated over a very small area therefore causing stress fractures. I have attached a pic.
 

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So when I received the replacement section (which looked a lot more scratched and discoloured than my previous pipe so I'm wondering if it was a used pipe!) I expected to see a much bigger contact patch. It is bigger but looks like the same setup and I'm concerned it will break again - what do reckon?
 

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George Villar said:
So my question is what constitutes an "exhaust system"? Every system I would ever consider for my 1199 would have silencers (slip-ons). I don't know what the forum considers a "system" but mandrel bent pipes without the silencers is not a true full system in my opinion such as AR offers. The most expensive part of the system is the silencer design and materials, along with fit and finish. Mind you, I am an AR customer for a RapidBIKE race module and every race part in the DIMSPORT catalog purchased from Rich. (Service was excellent).

That said, the Termi system has complicated mufflers, as does the Akra system and both are in expensive titanium. The ZARD under tail system has carbon fiber mufflers, and even the MIVV system has round (although not attractive) cans.

So knowing that Ducati has released the WSSK header kit that shows what AR demonstrated early on is correct, that if compared side by side the WSSK header and OEM header are VERY similar. So, the engine likes a longer header set = some restriction for torque. This along with a Termi muffler would get the best results as Rich demonstrated in the past with his testing and dyno sheets"¦ remember: 1199 + OEM header + Termi Slip + Rapid Bike RACE = higher HP.

So how does an AR System with just open pipes work better than OEM header w/ Termi?

Will someone post comparative numbers?

Thanks,

George Villar
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Hi George

By open pipes I'm assuming you mean with no baffles as AR has no muffler? In that case my very first instal thread has that information. The reality is that untuned both systems were outperformed by the Termi slips. That seems to support your comments about the muffler.
http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/4232-ar-inconel-install.html

There are also several dyno charts here (from a different dyno)
http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/4493-austin-racing-inconel-install-part-ii.html

ProTwin are experimenting with a Panigale race bike and they have removed the muffler and fabricated their own 2-1 with a basic muffler. I get my bike back tomorrow and should have a further dyno chart.
 
WAfatboy said:
So when I received the replacement section (which looked a lot more scratched and discoloured than my previous pipe so I'm wondering if it was a used pipe!) I expected to see a much bigger contact patch. It is bigger but looks like the same setup and I'm concerned it will break again - what do reckon?
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Hi WAF,

If I may chime in on this?
After seeing these latest pics.
The original piece that broke out of the tube, clearly broke out at the toe of the weld in what's called the HAZ (heat affected zone).
What has happened there on that piece is directly a result of fatigue cracking. I would say that it will ultimately happen in time to every one of these items out in the wild. Jesus Christ himself will not be able to stop it.
The weld itself is not defective and has a concave profile, which in this application would be deemed to be ideal.:)
The cracking is just a byproduct of using thin walled tube in that exhaust section. I'm a little surprised that this potential problem was not forseen in the design phase.
Now that i'm looking at pics of it, i personally would've put a doubler on the tube in that area from the start.

The reworked item has now had a doubler welded onto the tube to mitigate the potential for cracking.
The doubler appears to me, to be of the correct size and shape.
I can't really tell from looking at the pics of the doubler, but idealy it should be a bit thicker than the tube's wall thickness. It sort of appears as though it is.
This repair is typical of what one should expect, and should it fail in the future at the weld on the tube, then a larger doubler that occupies a larger area on the tube would be in order.

The welding is not the most beautiful work I've seen, but it appears to be quite reasonable and sound:)

I also see that it looks like the original bracket is cracked near the fastener end:(
It looks as though it's been laser cut, which is not a problem in itself and typical of what one would expect. This leaves sharp corners on the edge of the material.
Going forward, I would strongly suggest all external bracket edges and edges of all internal fastener holes, whether they be slotted or simply round, must be de-burred with a generous edge break in order to mitigate further cracking.
Harmonics are potentially destroying the exhaust components.


No criticism of the product is intended.

Cheers
 
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WAfatboy said:
Great post! Exactly what ProTwin said.
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No worries;)

Just make sure to de-burr all the edges of all the brackets on the system if you can, or the bracket themselves will crack and ultimately fail :-(

Cheers
 
Brad said:
No worries;)

Just make sure to de-burr all the edges of all the brackets on the system if you can, or the bracket themselves will crack and ultimately fail :-(

Cheers
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You're like the exact opposite of burnsy:D
 

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