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well I did a quick look thru the AR thread , correct me if I am wrong there are only a couple of people that claims they own the AR, are there more people that has the AR on their bike that can justify the qualify of them beside Richs the person himself since we all know how he is?
 
It's fun to read through this thread with the knowledge that Rich and Burnsy are factually proven to be the same person. Pathetic and sad...but funny:D
 
well I did a quick look thru the AR thread , correct me if I am wrong there are only a couple of people that claims they own the AR, are there more people that has the AR on their bike that can justify the qualify of them beside Richs the person himself since we all know how he is?


Ultimately the suspect quality and performance claims had nothing to do with it. It was the unacceptable threatening behaviour and falsehoods that sunk him.

See post #181 here, he continues to berate customers that don't put up with him:
http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/12862-austin-racing-rest-story-10.html#post154033
 
well I did a quick look thru the AR thread , correct me if I am wrong there are only a couple of people that claims they own the AR, are there more people that has the AR on their bike that can justify the qualify of them beside Richs the person himself since we all know how he is?

I had an AR system on my zx 10 and really liked it. I'm not rich...I don't know rich...but from my own personal dealings with him the price was good, the shipping was very fast (overseas even) and the exhaust was really cool. So I have no complaints. I think the issues were with a couple folks who brought it to the forum rather than keeping it in private conversation with him...then you get a bunch of yahoos chiming in and next thing you know you have a lynch mob. Maybe Rich was inappropriate with some of his responses but I would probably do the same thing when all of a sudden 50 forum tough guys are ruining your business...most of whom don't even have his product they just like to stir .... up. That was my biggest gripe is people who don't even have his product not just keeping their nose out of it.
 
I had an AR system on my zx 10 and really liked it. I'm not rich...I don't know rich...but from my own personal dealings with him the price was good, the shipping was very fast (overseas even) and the exhaust was really cool. So I have no complaints. I think the issues were with a couple folks who brought it to the forum rather than keeping it in private conversation with him...then you get a bunch of yahoos chiming in and next thing you know you have a lynch mob. Maybe Rich was inappropriate with some of his responses but I would probably do the same thing when all of a sudden 50 forum tough guys are ruining your business...most of whom don't even have his product they just like to stir .... up. That was my biggest gripe is people who don't even have his product not just keeping their nose out of it.

I have never understood the "gotta have the product to comment" logic.... I would think there are potential buyers of 1199 who view this forum and even ask questions.... Using your logic there are out of place???:confused:
I would think one of the biggest pluses of a forum is the exchange of information about bad products...and good... no???
 
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I have never understood the "gotta have the product to comment" logic.... I would think there are potential buyers of 1199 who view this forum and even ask questions.... Using your logic there are out of place???:confused:
I would think one of the biggest pluses of a forum is the exchange of information about bad products...and good no???

He means that if you don't have the product or have done business with that company there is no reason to give out negative feedback. This forum is like a big ... hight school, if the cool guy said that you are not cool everybody jump in his wagon.
If you don't like this guy muffler than just don't buy it, But please get in your mind he is running a business,He need to sell his product one way or another, Let all be happy the at least he is dedicating his time to offers us one more option for our bike.
 
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He means that if you don't have the product or have done business with that company there is no reason to give out negative feedback. This forum is like a big ... hight school, if the cool guy said that you are not cool everybody jump in his wagon.
If you don't like this guy muffler than just don't buy it, But please get in you mind he is running a business,He need to sell his product one way or another, Let all be happy the a least he is dedicating his time to offers us one more option for our bike.

I gave no "feedback".. I(and others) simply questioned Rich on the veracity of his outrageous claims.... He was simply unable to enter into an adult exchange of information....
 
Bad mouthing vendors/merchants on some other forums is reason to get banned. They usually prefer the PM route to address issues so it doesn't turn into a pissing contest. That said, I don't agree with that approach at all since that's basically saying let's keep the negative experience away from the public.

As a consumer, we should have the option to witness it all. Not only the good products/customer service experience but also how a business owner conducts himself when he's under a microscope. Rich wasn't randomly put in that situation. He dug his own grave and handled it in a piss poor manner. He could have tried to right his wrong and also NOT make these absurd performance claims when they couldn't be duplicated by anyone who did buy his product and I'm certain almost all of his bashing would have come to a screeching halt, maybe even praised for the way he attempted to be fix his customers problems.

Wafatboy spent a ton of money on this product/dyno time and whatever else and he got shortchanged to say the least. Imagine if this same exact scenario panned out with the Akrapovic exhaust. Do you honestly think as gorgeous and as awesome as it sounds that people would continue to drool over it and wish they could have it? I don't think so. I wouldn't careif the product was half the price it is now. I still wouldn't support it.

The power of negative feedback is immense. As a business owner, you should do everything in your power to make a bad experience good. Even if it means taking a hit to address the issue. It will potentially gain you a lot more business in the long run
 
I gave no "feedback".. I(and others) simply questioned Rich on the veracity of his outrageous claims.... He was simply unable to enter into an adult exchange of information....
I think we put to much pressure on him, and he probable feel trap with no way to escape so he went on defend mode ( remember he has a business to run). I will recommend to reset this post and allow the owner of this company to explain him self (let just give him a chance).
 
Bad mouthing vendors/merchants on some other forums is reason to get banned. They usually prefer the PM route to address issues so it doesn't turn into a pissing contest. That said, I don't agree with that approach at all since that's basically saying let's keep the negative experience away from the public.

As a consumer, we should have the option to witness it all. Not only the good products/customer service experience but also how a business owner conducts himself when he's under a microscope. Rich wasn't randomly put in that situation. He dug his own grave and handled it in a piss poor manner. He could have tried to right his wrong and also NOT make these absurd performance claims when they couldn't be duplicated by anyone who did buy his product and I'm certain almost all of his bashing would have come to a screeching halt, maybe even praised for the way he attempted to be fix his customers problems.

Wafatboy spent a ton of money on this product/dyno time and whatever else and he got shortchanged to say the least. Imagine if this same exact scenario panned out with the Akrapovic exhaust. Do you honestly think as gorgeous and as awesome as it sounds that people would continue to drool over it and wish they could have it? I don't think so. I wouldn't careif the product was half the price it is now. I still wouldn't support it.

The power of negative feedback is immense. As a business owner, you should do everything in your power to make a bad experience good. Even if it means taking a hit to address the issue. It will potentially gain you a lot more business in the long run

I believe on costume review 100%, trust me I'm not afraid to said ".... stink", the problem here is the we are only doing it to one product , did you remember when the termy were blowing the weld? they denied the warranty claim to a lot people just because they dint installed at the dealer.I even call termy my self to try to get a customer taking care and ask them how come a blowing weld have something to do with the installation?
I don't remember anybody trying to run termy out business after that or creating a long ... post about how bad the termy weld is.
 
You're obviously missing the big picture here. Termi also didn't make unreal claims of performance gains that couldn't be duplicated or even come close. People here wanted proof of such ridiculous claims by slapping on an AR system. Rich couldn't back up his wild claims. The rest of his behavior unfolded for us to see his true colors. At $3000, he should have handled it a lot better than he did. No one here is on the losing end besides rich. Well, maybe a few who did spend that kinda money n were not completely satisfied with the purchased product.

Giving him another chance is wishful thinking and will not happen.
 
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I don't want to get involved on this mess, just let get the guy a chance maybe we can learn something new from him.
 
I think we put to much pressure on him, and he probable feel trap with no way to escape so he went on defend mode ( remember he has a business to run). I will recommend to reset this post and allow the owner of this company to explain him self (let just give him a chance).

You do realize that this all happened a year ago right? That's when Richard and his identical twin Burnsy finally stopped digging and the forum has been better ever since.
 
You do realize that this all happened a year ago right? That's when Richard and his identical twin Burnsy finally stopped digging and the forum has been better ever since.

Yes I know is almost a year old, but let be honest I think those pipes sound very good. also I really don't care about hp gains I care about the sound and the look, the bike has 178 hp already.

We should welcome this guy back to our forum.:D
 
Yes I know is almost a year old, but let be honest I think those pipes sound very good. also I really don't care about hp gains I care about the sound and the look, the bike has 178 hp already.

We should welcome this guy back to our forum.:D

NEVER! And you need to give this a rest. All your concerns/questions have been addressed. And like you say, unless you are running an AR pipe on a Panigale, stop commenting on it. BTW, your grammar leaves a (quite) bit to be desired, you might try proof reading before posting - just a thought.
 
if the cool guy said that you are not cool everybody jump in his wagon.

Hey, you're not being cool. So there could be a risk of wagons coming to get you. :D

If I understand your thoughts correctly:

The only people allowed to talk about AR is Rich and owners of his product, except for owners that have had a bad experience, or question his claims, or are offended or insulted by him. Otherwise they are free to say anything positive that they like.

Since Rich can do no wrong, everything he says that can possibly be construed as negative is merely him defending everything that is Holy and Right in the world.

Furthermore, if Rich is caught making false claims, or his product fails we should promptly forget about it and say, "Thank you blessed Rich for allowing us to worship both you and your products."

IOW let the Fox back into the Hen house.

If you trust him or his products, visit his website and buy his products. It's simple. No drama.
 
NEVER! And you need to give this a rest. All your concerns/questions have been addressed. And like you say, unless you are running an AR pipe on a Panigale, stop commenting on it. BTW, your grammar leaves a (quite) bit to be desired, you might try proof reading before posting - just a thought.

hey Buddy if you don't like my grammar I got a simple solution for you



DON'T READ MY POST.:D
 
You're obviously missing the big picture here. Termi also didn't make unreal claims of performance gains that couldn't be duplicated or even come close. People here wanted proof of such ridiculous claims by slapping on an AR system. Rich couldn't back up his wild claims. The rest of his behavior unfolded for us to see his true colors. At $3000, he should have handled it a lot better than he did. No one here is on the losing end besides rich. Well, maybe a few who did spend that kinda money n were not completely satisfied with the purchased product.

Giving him another chance is wishful thinking and will not happen.

you right on the false performance gains , not cool
 

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