Austinracing Exhaust Questions Part2 1199R

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ttkarp said:
You're like the exact opposite of burnsy:D
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You just get to see the tempered side of me.
I'm all grown up now:)

As a child, I could string a set of swear words together in a reasonably coherent fashion that anyone could understand (to their horror). This was before I could put real words together properly:eek:
It was quite legendary back in the day;)
Sadly, some things stay with you forever and run very deep:-(

Has anyone seen the "Hitler hates chevy badges" thing on youtube?
It's a snippet out of the Downfall movie where Hitler is doing his block in the bunker.
It's mostly based on the my local area's modified car scene, and I find it absolutely hilarious.
Well, I can make Hitler sound like an amateur.

Cheers
 
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Brad said:
You guys are bad news;):eek:
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Brad..Yeah we probably are... But it is remotely possible that people have been educated with regards to this system... and now the info is in the public domain so anyone viewing buying choices for an exhaust system has a lot more info than they did previous to this whole AR charade... I note with interest that your assessment of the welding "issues" contain way more info and technical break down than anything Rich has ever come near too... and herein lies the rub... Rich has only ever spouted platitudes generalities and I guess what could be termed BS... and that's been in his good posts...:)
 
Stw said:
Brad..Yeah we probably are... But it is remotely possible that people have been educated with regards to this system... and now the info is in the public domain so anyone viewing buying choices for an exhaust system has a lot more info than they did previous to this whole AR charade... I note with interest that your assessment of the welding "issues" contain way more info and technical break down than anything Rich has ever come near too... and herein lies the rub... Rich has only ever spouted platitudes generalities and I guess what could be termed BS... and that's been in his good posts...:)
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There were good posts? Did I miss something??
 
Brad said:
Hi WAF,

If I may chime in on this?
After seeing these latest pics.
The original piece that broke out of the tube, clearly broke out at the toe of the weld in what's called the HAZ (heat affected zone).
What has happened there on that piece is directly a result of fatigue cracking. I would say that it will ultimately happen in time to every one of these items out in the wild. Jesus Christ himself will not be able to stop it.
The weld itself is not defective and has a concave profile, which in this application would be deemed to be ideal.:)
The cracking is just a byproduct of using thin walled tube in that exhaust section. I'm a little surprised that this potential problem was not forseen in the design phase.
Now that i'm looking at pics of it, i personally would've put a doubler on the tube in that area from the start.

The reworked item has now had a doubler welded onto the tube to mitigate the potential for cracking.
The doubler appears to me, to be of the correct size and shape.
I can't really tell from looking at the pics of the doubler, but idealy it should be a bit thicker than the tube's wall thickness. It sort of appears as though it is.
This repair is typical of what one should expect, and should it fail in the future at the weld on the tube, then a larger doubler that occupies a larger area on the tube would be in order.

The welding is not the most beautiful work I've seen, but it appears to be quite reasonable and sound:)

I also see that it looks like the original bracket is cracked near the fastener end:(
It looks as though it's been laser cut, which is not a problem in itself and typical of what one would expect. This leaves sharp corners on the edge of the material.
Going forward, I would strongly suggest all external bracket edges and edges of all internal fastener holes, whether they be slotted or simply round, must be de-burred with a generous edge break in order to mitigate further cracking.
Harmonics are potentially destroying the exhaust components.


No criticism of the product is intended.

Cheers
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Sorry for the late response Waf, I was out golfing last night :)
I basically agree with what Brad said. The original design is poor for a couple reasons... The weakening of the thin walled material from the weld as Brad stated, but also the fact that it's a very thin piece transfering load through a very small contact area to the the pipe... (the same force causes less stress if distributed over a larger area) so it's a pretty simple stress consentration at a weakened section. It would be nice to see the bracket contact area to the pipe larger, perhaps by welding it to a thicker base plate that matched the contour of the pipe, then welding that to the pipe, which is essentially AR's solution with the doubler as Brad stated, but looks a little messy IMO
 
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so now they addressed the problem of the product....maybe they can be improved ?...and we can be all happy about it instead of denying AR's potential grow just because of "rich"?

just a rookie question, so if the exhaust broke on WAF, what exact damage did it cost?
 
The whole AR exhaust thing was a complete saga and quite complex.
You sort of had to be there at the time.

I would suggest you try the search function.
Then wade through the AR exhaust threads.
There's an awful lot lot to digest.
And Rich pretty much is AR, and that's a core issue:(

I think it would be fair to say, we are all still trying to get over it and put it behind us:eek:
 
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I was just reviewing the previous posts of this thread.

It's all coming back to me now.
I'm having flashbacks:eek:

This whole AR business and how it unfolded along with the aftermath, is what forced the owners of the site to eventually appoint moderators.

At one point it looked like we wouldn't have a site at all.
It prompted one dedicated member of this forum to start up his own forum in an attempt to give us a liferaft to jump into, in the event this one folded and disappeared into history.

That's how bad it got around here as a result of the AR exhaust saga:(
 
Brad said:
I was just reviewing the previous posts of this thread.

It's all coming back to me now.
I'm having flashbacks:eek:

This whole AR business and how it unfolded along with the aftermath, is what forced the owners of the site to eventually appoint moderators.

At one point it looked like we wouldn't have a site at all.
It prompted one dedicated member of this forum to start up his own forum in an attempt to give us a liferaft to jump into, in the event this one folded and disappeared into history.

That's how bad it got around here as a result of the AR exhaust saga:(
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Didn't have anything to do with quite a few people on this forum being a-holes either?
 
gnance said:
Didn't have anything to do with quite a few people on this forum being a-holes either?
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I think AR got very fair treatment on this forum... He simply could not answer or cope with the probing questions members were fairly asking of a system that had some pretty outrageous claims and was very expensive.... If AR had dealt with the questions with class then I think most on here would have given his pipe more of chance...His outlandish behaviour was the death knell of his product as far as maybe 99% on people on here who might have been considering it.... :)
 
gnance said:
Didn't have anything to do with quite a few people on this forum being a-holes either?
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While that is possible, how do you explain it happening to Richard on every site he graces with his presence? Is everyone on every website an a-hole, or could the common denominator be him?
 
gnance said:
Didn't have anything to do with quite a few people on this forum being a-holes either?
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No it does not.

This is one of the more peaceful forums ive been in.


Pretty good group of guys.



What happenes is, if you run your mouth off like a sewer, dont Fkn whine when toilet paper gets stuck to your lips.


This thread is a perfect example of that.
 
gnance said:
Didn't have anything to do with quite a few people on this forum being a-holes either?
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Yep, I think there may have been a fair bit of that too:eek:
And some of them didn't even have a stake in it anyway:rolleyes:

I tend to agree with most of what Stw says as well;)
The product itself did get a pretty good go.
The worst of it was Rich and how he handled/mishandled it on all levels.
The fact that it was ultimately revealed how Rich behaved the same way on other forums, when responding to the problems other people were having with the AR exhaust systems, sort of sounded the death knell for him.

He pretty much shot himself in the foot;)
 
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outhouse said:
No it does not.
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Well... I disagree!

As one of the few on here that had direct dealings with Rich and AR I found him to be pretty fair. Furthermore most of the mud slinging that occurred on this site was from those who had never met or dealt with Rich, they just jumped on the f**k AR bandwagon. Regardless of what he posted it was shot down in flames by those who had no knowledge or experience of the system offered.

Undoubtedly the AR system under delivered & things could have been handled better by them but I don't feel it warranted the response from this website. The fact remains that some AR customers are happy with the exhaust they purchased.
 

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