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So I have the base model and am looking at doing some ohlins cartridge inserts and a new shock, has anyone done this upgrade yet? I'm looking at k tech and some others but ohlins seems the best bet for me, I do quite a few track days and some street riding also. Just curious to see if anyone has done this and what their thoughts about it are, thanks in advance
 
I would spend the extra $1000 and get the complete forks. You will recover more money in the end and they're easier to install. Also, they definitely upgrade the looks.

FWIW
 
i have not, but am contemplating a shock replacement as i find the Marzocchi forks to be adequate. if i did change out the rear, the Ohlins TTX would be my choice.

what is it about the forks that you're not happy with?

fun topic, i think you'll find other threads on it (here) as well.
 
I would spend the extra $1000 and get the complete forks. You will recover more money in the end and they're easier to install. Also, they definitely upgrade the looks.

FWIW

The looks don't really bother me, most looking at function
 
Unless you track your bike, you will not like the cartridges on the street, ride is rather kidney punishing. AK20 kit is something I considered prior to spring for RT forks w/SBK valving, it is not monetary wise to do the kit over forks. Mupo is also very nice.
 
TTX rear with Marzocchi forks on mine. The OE shock felt awful to me, while the Ohlins feels much better. The OE forks feel good and gives good feedback even when sliding....though it's definitely sprung for a large man....like me. I almost orderd the 30mm inserts when I ordered the shock, but thought I'd give the forks a valid try with a decent rear. Glad I did!
 
Cloner, what do you weigh if you don't mind me asking, I'm almost debating just doing the shock since he front doesn't feel terrible just thought if I did the ohlins doing it all in one shot
 
(I like my forks as stated above, ride the bike relatively hard, and weigh 165, no gear, 36/31 sag f/r)
 
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Call Barry at GP Suspension/KFG Tuning. He's in your neck of the woods; nobody better to steer you in the right direction and he knows the Pani's suspension as well as anybody.
 
After several bikes with full Ohlins, I'm going a completely different route with all Bitubo suspension. I've watched Bitubo in World STK and SSP really come up well for the last few years and it got me intrigued, plus it keeps the bike with mostly Italian bits. Reading the specs of their parts I think there is good value if the performance meets my expectations. I had FGRT808 forks w/ SBK valves and a TTX Mk2 on my Crossplane R1 and it made a world of difference, so hoping the same for the Pani.

Frankly, I'm quite happy with the OEM Marzocchi/Sachs stuff on the street here in FL. Sadly, we have most straight roads and I have to get my jollies on cloverleafs and the few backroad twisties. But already my Pani with some knob twiddling is working at least as well as my professionally reworked R1 on the road, but I haven't been to the track yet.

In anticipation of heavy track use my Pani will see, I've ordered the Bitubo XXF61 race shock, and have already mounted the Bitubo gas-charged steering damper, both from Bellisimoto with the help of Gunny Fitz. I already notice a difference with the gas-charged steering damper as on setting 6 of 18, it feels like the steering feel is lighter but I notice that the regular shimmy of the front wheel when exiting a corner hard on the gas is more tamed than it was with the OEM non-adjustable damper.

Bitubo just came out with their Full-Pressure-System (FPS) Nitrogen-Charged fork cartridges for the Marzocchi forks (it was already available for the S and R Ohlins). These cartridges have some pretty trick specs, but I will try my Pani on the track a few times with the OEM forks and upgraded rear shock before deciding if it is worth the money.

SSW%20A1c_12.jpg

Panigale%201.jpg

Panigale%202.jpg

Bitubo_ECH29-4.jpg


FPS Description:
Full Pressure System: represents the highest efficiency and practicality of this patented system.
This innovative damping system is created for immediate fork oscillation control, thus avoiding
any cavitations of the internal fluid. This system is low pressure gas pressurized. The cartridges
are asymmetric: where one controls the compression, the other one controls the rebound. With
two alternate chambers at the two ends, it is possible to reach a very high damping coefficient
even at very low speed.

Easy Changer: this is a quick change system: fast replacement of the spring, already available in
the previous YCE cartridge version, with a free key and a new exclusive cartridge dismantling
system, which does not require the fork removal. This system makes the set-up bike modification
easier by racing technicians.

Light Components: this product is manufactured with a high percentage of special light alloys,
thus decreasing the weight of the previous YCE cartridge considerably.

TECHNICAL FEATURES
"¢ Hydraulic piston with FPS® system (Patent Pending) Ø27mm, in Ergal material
"¢ Pumping rods with Ø10mm with surface coating against friction.
"¢ Mechanical end-stroke with polyurethane bump stop.
"¢ CrSi steel springs, undergo a patented stabilizing procedure.
"¢ Upper cap of the fork with integrated hydraulic spring preload (Patent Pending)
"¢ Independent damping adjustment in compression and rebound
"¢ Coaxial compensation chamber (Patent Pending)
"¢ Ergal cartridge body with internal surface coating against friction
"¢ Separated Hydraulic/sliding lubrication


XXF31 Shock Description (the XXF61 race shock I ordered is the same but without the hydraulic preload adjustment, if you've adjusted your preload you know how easy it is to get a spanner on a regular shock collar. It also allows for up to -10mm shock length than OEM, developed by Bitubo analyzing a proper race setup for the Panigale.)

xxf31-11.JPG
 
Cloner, what do you weigh if you don't mind me asking, I'm almost debating just doing the shock since he front doesn't feel terrible just thought if I did the ohlins doing it all in one shot

6'-1". 260 lbs
 
TTX on mine at 8k km. Huge improvement over stock, no more pumping and fading.

Got the cartridges too, yet to be installed
 
It seems like most of you who went the ohlins route seem to be pretty happy with just the shock
 
I'm curious, what did a set up like that run you ? That looks really nice. How does it perform ?

After several bikes with full Ohlins, I'm going a completely different route with all Bitubo suspension. I've watched Bitubo in World STK and SSP really come up well for the last few years and it got me intrigued, plus it keeps the bike with mostly Italian bits. Reading the specs of their parts I think there is good value if the performance meets my expectations. I had FGRT808 forks w/ SBK valves and a TTX Mk2 on my Crossplane R1 and it made a world of difference, so hoping the same for the Pani.

Frankly, I'm quite happy with the OEM Marzocchi/Sachs stuff on the street here in FL. Sadly, we have most straight roads and I have to get my jollies on cloverleafs and the few backroad twisties. But already my Pani with some knob twiddling is working at least as well as my professionally reworked R1 on the road, but I haven't been to the track yet.

In anticipation of heavy track use my Pani will see, I've ordered the Bitubo XXF61 race shock, and have already mounted the Bitubo gas-charged steering damper, both from Bellisimoto with the help of Gunny Fitz. I already notice a difference with the gas-charged steering damper as on setting 6 of 18, it feels like the steering feel is lighter but I notice that the regular shimmy of the front wheel when exiting a corner hard on the gas is more tamed than it was with the OEM non-adjustable damper.

Bitubo just came out with their Full-Pressure-System (FPS) Nitrogen-Charged fork cartridges for the Marzocchi forks (it was already available for the S and R Ohlins). These cartridges have some pretty trick specs, but I will try my Pani on the track a few times with the OEM forks and upgraded rear shock before deciding if it is worth the money.

SSW%20A1c_12.jpg

Panigale%201.jpg

Panigale%202.jpg

Bitubo_ECH29-4.jpg


FPS Description:
Full Pressure System: represents the highest efficiency and practicality of this patented system.
This innovative damping system is created for immediate fork oscillation control, thus avoiding
any cavitations of the internal fluid. This system is low pressure gas pressurized. The cartridges
are asymmetric: where one controls the compression, the other one controls the rebound. With
two alternate chambers at the two ends, it is possible to reach a very high damping coefficient
even at very low speed.

Easy Changer: this is a quick change system: fast replacement of the spring, already available in
the previous YCE cartridge version, with a free key and a new exclusive cartridge dismantling
system, which does not require the fork removal. This system makes the set-up bike modification
easier by racing technicians.

Light Components: this product is manufactured with a high percentage of special light alloys,
thus decreasing the weight of the previous YCE cartridge considerably.

TECHNICAL FEATURES
"¢ Hydraulic piston with FPS® system (Patent Pending) Ø27mm, in Ergal material
"¢ Pumping rods with Ø10mm with surface coating against friction.
"¢ Mechanical end-stroke with polyurethane bump stop.
"¢ CrSi steel springs, undergo a patented stabilizing procedure.
"¢ Upper cap of the fork with integrated hydraulic spring preload (Patent Pending)
"¢ Independent damping adjustment in compression and rebound
"¢ Coaxial compensation chamber (Patent Pending)
"¢ Ergal cartridge body with internal surface coating against friction
"¢ Separated Hydraulic/sliding lubrication


XXF31 Shock Description (the XXF61 race shock I ordered is the same but without the hydraulic preload adjustment, if you've adjusted your preload you know how easy it is to get a spanner on a regular shock collar. It also allows for up to -10mm shock length than OEM, developed by Bitubo analyzing a proper race setup for the Panigale.)

xxf31-11.JPG
 
I'm curious, what did a set up like that run you ? That looks really nice. How does it perform ?

With the 1199 Forum Discount that Gunny Fitz got me, for the Bitubo nitrogen-charged front cartridge and XXF61 rear shock setup is about $300 or so more than an Ohlins TTX Mk2 rear shock and 30mm NIX (non-gas charged) fork cartridges. Go here to see the Panigale suspension options offered by Bellissimoto.com: BellissiMoto - 1199 Panigale Parts Index

If you compare the Bitubo ECH-29 nitrogen-charged fork cartridges to the Ohlins (TTX25) and Traxxion Dynamics (AK20) gas-charged cartridges, the Bitubo's specs/design is very competitive, and the price is about $350-$500 less. Same with the XXF61 shock, plus it has separate high- and low- speed compression damping and was designed specifically for the Panigale with up to -10 mm shorter shock length than OEM based on their testing and concept of optimized geometry for the Panigale on the track.

I'm mainly doing it to try something different, as I've been very happy with OEM and aftermarket Ohlins suspension on previous bikes. The grass is always greener right? Well, I'll find out.

Will report back in a new thread when my shock comes in and I get to try it on the street and track. Just discussing it here is pushing me to get the fork cartridges to have a matched set and see if the gas-charged suspension is as good as I've heard.
 
With the 1199 Forum Discount that Gunny Fitz got me, for the Bitubo nitrogen-charged front cartridge and XXF61 rear shock setup is about $300 or so more than an Ohlins TTX Mk2 rear shock and 30mm NIX (non-gas charged) fork cartridges. Go here to see the Panigale suspension options offered by Bellissimoto.com: BellissiMoto - 1199 Panigale Parts Index

If you compare the Bitubo ECH-29 nitrogen-charged fork cartridges to the Ohlins (TTX25) and Traxxion Dynamics (AK20) gas-charged cartridges, the Bitubo's specs/design is very competitive, and the price is about $350-$500 less. Same with the XXF61 shock, plus it has separate high- and low- speed compression damping and was designed specifically for the Panigale with up to -10 mm shorter shock length than OEM based on their testing and concept of optimized geometry for the Panigale on the track.

I'm mainly doing it to try something different, as I've been very happy with OEM and aftermarket Ohlins suspension on previous bikes. The grass is always greener right? Well, I'll find out.

Will report back in a new thread when my shock comes in and I get to try it on the street and track. Just discussing it here is pushing me to get the fork cartridges to have a matched set and see if the gas-charged suspension is as good as I've heard.

What price of Ohlins are you comparing? Because I have priced them at $1125 for front insert or rear shock.

For maintenance issues, does anyone in the states work on the Biturbos?
 
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