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I’m gunna go counter intuitive here.

If you don’t want to modify the bike and are using it for mostly street use I recommend the V4S because it’s largely complete as-is for street riding and occasional track use.

If you are going to track the bike a lot you are going to probably upgrade the shock and forks and lots of other stuff so it’s better to get the base model and save the money on parts you are going to replace anyway.

If I buy a bike for the street it would probably be a street fighter though…I had one and miss it.
 
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bp_SFV4 said:
I’d take a Multistrada over a SF for the street, having owned a SF.
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I’ve never ridden one so I dunno…the Multi just looks like it sits too high and unwieldy to me.

But then again my street riding is limited to 20 or 30 minute romps between track days. No commuting or cruising around. Just a few hard pulls basically to stay acclimated to the speed on two wheels when there is more than a two week gap between track days.
 
olivieraaa said:
Will share my experience and maybe there's something in there that will talk to your senses.
I have the '21 V4S full titanium Akra and my friend the '22 V4 with slip-on. Side by side acceleration he kicks my butt until 10K RPM ... I blame the increase in low end torque on the V4 due to the EURO5 exhaust certification.
Now the V4S's auto-dampening and auto-ride adjustments are definitely an amazing add-on. I couldn't live without them anymore. I had a Monster 1200S and had added a dampener and was constantly adjusting it depending on speed and ride type ... no longer. The self adjusting suspension is un-noticeable until you get on the V4 after, then you realize it was a very good addition.

I also have a friend that has a V2 (one of the first) and while we are cruising and having fun on the highway he has enough power that while revving I won't catch up to him unless we're going all out. In fact, a fast revving V2 is just as fast 80% of the time, unless you're doing an outright drag race.

And by the way, power on the V4 is downtuned in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear ... by that time you're pas 160kmph+ ... is that really the speed at which you're looking to improve your power gains ???

I do 3-4 track days/year and the rest is all road mix 30% city / 70% highway. I am very happy I spent on the S, and would do it again. Plus you get the gold suspension in the front just like your Bayliss ;-)

Now, with all that said, since you have the V2 Bayliss, with full Akra, then I wouldn't understand why you would do that trade. That Bayliss is cool, real cool, rides just as well, has 80% of similar acceleration and power most of the time, is fully equipped already, and has one of the two coolest upgrades you can get on a ducati, the FULL AKRA (the other being the Dry clutch, and you might not want that ... 1500 km to 5000 km life max before you replace the plates.). You have the better bike ... So in the end, why bother taking a hit ?

Just my 2 cents from my experience. Cheers !

P.S.: The streetfighter is great, but it is really a downgrade of 2/3rd in both power, agility, race capability. I have the SFV4S as well and it wiggles all over the road compared to the Pani. Again just my experience.
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In your experience, which is faster (Panigale or SFV4S) on a roll race?
 
Steven31371 said:
I’ve never ridden one so I dunno…the Multi just looks like it sits too high and unwieldy to me.
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There was a guy who brought one to a CSS class. He seemed to get after it on it.

I’m fine with a Panigale for rides lasting less then an hour or so on the street. I didn’t think the SF really excelled in that role over the Panigale.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I’d take a Multistrada over a SF for the street, having owned a SF.
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That's because you have a stock geometry SF. Multi's are taller, longer and way heavier. When you ride all day at a elevated pace what wears you out is the weight. I've ridden my SF 375-400 miles a day on twisty 2 lanes for day after day. I have a bunch of ducati's, I've ridden several multi's and wouldn't own one.
 
Paul G said:
Havent you read the news? 95% of Panigales sold are ridden on the street 100% of the time. The track is one thing, but riding fast on the street is as old as motorcycling. For errands, commuting and around town, Panigales are as you imply- unsuited, but there no better bike for the twisties.
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Bagger's evil twin would spank Bagger on Bagger's own 1198 vs Bagger on a Panigale in the tight technical stuff. It's simply the extra 40 or 50 lbs of the Panigale and the instant grunt of the 1198 (not to mention the shorter wheelbase, narrower tank etc.).
 
Each to their own I guess. Had my pani v4s for 17k kms now and it's the best, most comfy sport bike I've owned. Done multi day, 3-3500km road trips with no freeway several times now and rarely do anything but full days out on the road. The electronic suspension is unreal for the road especially if you like riding different surface qualities, changing to different setup modes etc. Same goes for the engine mapping but both v4 and v4s have this obviously. I have a dedicated track bike so don't need this thing for the track. Can't stop thinking about making it one though..
 
Mcv4 said:
Each to their own I guess. Had my pani v4s for 17k kms now and it's the best, most comfy sport bike I've owned. Done multi day, 3-3500km road trips with no freeway several times now and rarely do anything but full days out on the road. The electronic suspension is unreal for the road especially if you like riding different surface qualities, changing to different setup modes etc. Same goes for the engine mapping but both v4 and v4s have this obviously. I have a dedicated track bike so don't need this thing for the track. Can't stop thinking about making it one though..
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Totally agree, the stock S is an awesome sportsbike, and if I had my time over I wouldnt even bother with blinging it except maybe a slip on, because the enjoyment of riding is the same.
 
Definitely. I did add a full system and a couple of little bits of carbon, like the full size hugger after the exhaust install, but the ride is what its about. Just plain beautiful and especially when you're up it a bit. Everything just gels. Never got this feeling over many s1000rr's.
 
Mcv4 said:
Each to their own I guess. Had my pani v4s for 17k kms now and it's the best, most comfy sport bike I've owned. Done multi day, 3-3500km road trips with no freeway several times now and rarely do anything but full days out on the road. The electronic suspension is unreal for the road especially if you like riding different surface qualities, changing to different setup modes etc. Same goes for the engine mapping but both v4 and v4s have this obviously. I have a dedicated track bike so don't need this thing for the track. Can't stop thinking about making it one though..
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I think some of that is relative to your body dimensions. My riding buddy rides his 1198 on twisty stuff (375-400 miles a day) but he's 3 inches taller than me. I prefer bars above the triples to travel with. But I'm old so clipons ouch. But the geometry of my bike is now the same as a Pani so it works pretty good (actually it's a weapon). The .9 bar radiator cap would open (single drop) in a hot soak after parking it (fans running). So I went to the 1.1 bar. If you're going to buy a used Pani to use as a track bike change the oil pump to the newest rev (maybe wait for the 2025's are released I bet there's another rev). These guys have rev'ed the pump 3 times as far as I can tell. So they know they have a problem.
 
Mcv4 said:
Definitely. I did add a full system and a couple of little bits of carbon, like the full size hugger after the exhaust install, but the ride is what its about. Just plain beautiful and especially when you're up it a bit. Everything just gels. Never got this feeling over many s1000rr's.
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Apart from the whole package which is very refined, I think a lot of the soul comes from the 70 degree crankpin offset which allows the 4 to mimic the sound and feel of the twin.
 
baggerman said:
I think some of that is relative to your body dimensions. My riding buddy rides his 1198 on twisty stuff (375-400 miles a day) but he's 3 inches taller than me. I prefer bars above the triples to travel with. But I'm old so clipons ouch. But the geometry of my bike is now the same as a Pani so it works pretty good (actually it's a weapon). The .9 bar radiator cap would open (single drop) in a hot soak after parking it (fans running). So I went to the 1.1 bar. If you're going to buy a used Pani to use as a track bike change the oil pump to the newest rev (maybe wait for the 2025's are released I bet there's another rev). These guys have rev'ed the pump 3 times as far as I can tell. So they know they have a problem.
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Yeah for sure. I'm 48, 5"10 and long legs / short torso. Had to run tall seats on my S1000's to get comfortable leg room and half decent ergos. Was worried about going to the pani until I sat on one. As soon as I sat on it it felt like a glove and I knew ergonomically it was going to be good, for me.

Not going into rad caps and oil pumps though 😂
 
Paul G said:
Apart from the whole package which is very refined, I think a lot of the soul comes from the 70 degree crankpin offset which allows the 4 to mimic the sound and feel of the twin.
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Maybe. I'm not privy enough to make comment but yes, it feels brilliant.

My partners 21 RSV4 engine wise feels completely different to ride. I really enjoy the engine in it also (not the ergos) but for the same capacity and engine configuration the difference is incredible.
 

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