Beginner and just want to Ducati 1199

I have no experience riding a motorcycle
But this bike is impressive to me.

My friend has a Ducati 999 and I can imagine what kind of beast this bike, though inferior to the characteristics of the 999 1199.

What will advise:
Take 1199 and the first year of driving very carefully
Perfected in the second year.

Or take something simpler, like evolution, 848. (Or is it a hard for beginner, too)

Give expert advice for the beginner in motorsport, please.


Thanks in advance for your opinion

the trottle goes both ways.

This questions gets asked about every bike. So many factors to consider like age, phsyical size, maturity, mental restraint, experience on other motorsport items (dirt bikes, sleds, ATV's, scooters, etc.).

I'll be real clear, don't even bother with a brand new bike of any type, let alone one of the fastest bikes made.

Start small, learn to ride and survive around cars, road conditions, etc.
Once you can ride the small bike up to the BIKE's potential, get the bike of your dreams.

I have ridden numerous bikes over the years, but still can have fun on a 50cc bike.

Chris

turnone said:

This questions gets asked about every bike. So many factors to consider like age, phsyical size, maturity, mental restraint, experience on other motorsport items (dirt bikes, sleds, ATV's, scooters, etc.).

I'll be real clear, don't even bother with a brand new bike of any type, let alone one of the fastest bikes made.

Start small, learn to ride and survive around cars, road conditions, etc.
Once you can ride the small bike up to the BIKE's potential, get the bike of your dreams.

I have ridden numerous bikes over the years, but still can have fun on a 50cc bike.

Chris

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Turnone is spot on - your first new bike will go through the normal stupid drops and other goofy things you do as a new rider. Take a used bike ride it until most everthing is second nature - all you want to do is get a lot of time on the road or track.

If you've never ridden before, a small, 250 or so, used, and unfaired bike is the ticket. When new to riding there is a long list of minor problems and mistakes you will have to learn your way through . Just stopping, say at night in the wet, on the center of a high crown road unawares. You put your foot down normally, but the road is a couple of inches below where your foot expects it. If on a learner's bike, you just pick it up and proceed. With a 1199 you'll have rashed a thousand dollars worth if lucky. I had a K1200s BMW knocked over at the curb while parked and the repair cost $6500!

Just remember, it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.

Bikes are wonderful, I've been riding for fifty years and track my current 1198s, so I have a lifetime of experience. That said, they are much more demanding than autos, especially when you get into superbikes, which all would put seven-figure perfomance sports cars to shame. Troy Bayliss said the 1199 is faster than his race-prepared, world chamionship winning bike. Seriously, no matter the individual, that's no place to start.

If taking up say, sculpture, would you begin with a life-sized statue from the finest marble? It's possible you might succeed, but it's more likely you'd make a mistake that would doom the project, and that dissappointment might well ruin you for more modest undertakings.

Get a modest bike, and develop the needed "muscle memory", then go shopping for your dream bike. You don't need a superbike to enjoy the excitment of motorcycling, in fact a superbike to early might be a disaster finacially and/or physically. I had my 1198s in for service last month, and was given a Monster for the day as a loaner. Even though I ride much more powerful bikes most of the time, I had a ball with the Monster.

Have fun!

Money doesn't buy you skill. Time and experience.

There are two types of riders, those that have been down, and those that are going down. You probably WILL drop/crash your first bike.

Whilst I wouldn't particularly recommend this as a 1st bike, I wouldn't listen to all the doom mongerers either. I had a 600 as a first bike and this will be my second. I never dropped or crashed the 1st and hope not to this either. I, to date, have probably done two thirds of my miles on track and intend to use the panigale to a similar ratio. If you can afford the running costs, and are not a complete loon then maybe you'd be ok. I'd still suggest a smaller bike, maybe 600, as you're less likely to get into trouble, but if you really really want a 1199 then they only go as quick as you want them to go. I'd definately advise track time though.

I have ridden a panigale and would say that a newbie riding it would expose themselves to un necessary risk and also not be able to unlock anywhere close to the potential the bike has to offer. A dangerous waste of money.

szczypek said:

the trottle goes both ways.

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The bike is sexy, but damn that's down outright kinky

I totally agree wit the above posts start small and work your way up if you want to take a short cut then take professional training. I think if you are not to hot headed you could go for a 600 but no more. The person who said he has not dropped their bike has one coming, I do not know of any experienced motor cyclist who hasn't had a fall

Of course beginners should buy 1199s!!!

How else can A) guys like me get a good deal on track day salvage insurace write-offs. And B) We thin the herd.

All the electronic nannies are making newbs think they can't fail.

turnone said:

Start small, learn to ride and survive around cars, road conditions, etc.
Once you can ride the small bike up to the BIKE's potential, get the bike of your dreams.
I have ridden numerous bikes over the years, but still can have fun on a 50cc bike.

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@Chris, thanks, I am inclined to think to follow your advice. Really I will need to learn a lot.

tstephenson said:

Take a used bike ride it until most everthing is second nature - all you want to do is get a lot of time on the road or track.

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@tstephenson, I am afraid of a used bike can have a number of troubles that do not understand a beginner but which may affect the general background of riding

Bronston said:

I had a K1200s BMW knocked over at the curb while parked and the repair cost $6500!

Just remember, it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.

Troy Bayliss said the 1199 is faster than his race-prepared, world chamionship winning bike.
Seriously, no matter the individual, that's no place to start.

Get a modest bike, and develop the needed "muscle memory", then go shopping for your dream bike. You don't need a superbike to enjoy the excitment of motorcycling, in fact a superbike to early might be a disaster finacially and/or physically.

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@Bronston, agree with more fun slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
You right that it is not place to start.
All riders are advised this likely I'll take the small bike.

FrostyFire said:

Money doesn't buy you skill. Time and experience.
There are two types of riders, those that have been down, and those that are going down. You probably WILL drop/crash your first bike.

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@FrostyFire, It is not about money.
If you start use new good engine (maybe not top) it is better than you start use used.
As a beginner you just do not understand bad used bike.
And you can deal with those problems that do not have to deal.
I just want the bike to be more focused on my skills rather than stand out in a crowd.

Mhobson said:

I'd still suggest a smaller bike, maybe 600, as you're less likely to get into trouble, but if you really really want a 1199 then they only go as quick as you want them to go. I'd definately advise track time though.

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@Mhobson, I will plan track advice before any bike, of course.

ukrr said:

I have ridden a panigale and would say that a newbie riding it would expose themselves to un necessary risk and also not be able to unlock anywhere close to the potential the bike has to offer. A dangerous waste of money.

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@ukrr, yeah, huge risk must be taken in attention

Thanks @Chris, @tstephenson, @Bronston, @FrostyFire, @Mhobson and @ukrr. @szczypek and @512BB let start the trottle.

leebeeone said:

I totally agree wit the above posts start small and work your way up if you want to take a short cut then take professional training. I think if you are not to hot headed you could go for a 600 but no more. The person who said he has not dropped their bike has one coming, I do not know of any experienced motor cyclist who hasn't had a fall

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@leebeeone, Yes, start with small.

consolidated said:

All the electronic nannies are making newbs think they can't fail.

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@consolidated, I think about electronic nannies, and questions what bike have some nannies systems like 1199!?

superfly999 said:

Of course beginners should buy 1199s!!!
How else can A) guys like me get a good deal on track day salvage insurace write-offs. And B) We thin the herd.

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Are you from another herd!? Herd from good people with good deals!!! Congratulations

My advice would be to start on an 848. Lets face it to ride the panegale for the way it is made is not for a beginner. you cant ride a bike fast and safley with out experience. This is a bike that will go best on the track. It is made to go fast.
A beginner could ride this bike... a beginner could ride any bike but that person is still a tyro.
The 848 is a perfect bike for beginners for this reason. It doesnt do anything particularly nasty and yet you can ride as fast as anybody else in tighter hiily stuff where the bike excells get all the experince you need and then move up. I find that most riders lose enthusiasm after 200k on roads. r1 suzuki 1000s, 1098, 1198 etc and the 848 will do about 270.It just comes back to the rider.

Start on an easy bike and learn to minimise risk in everything you do.

I met a guy the other day on a beautiful looking 1098s the rear tire told the whole story without looking at the front. He said he didnt like to take risks which is fair enough.
Everybody buys a bike for different reasons.

If you buy the panegale then just stay in your experince envelope and build out.

Read Keith Codes book twist of the wrist 2 and dont make the 7 mistakes or survival reactions that all new riders do.

Whilst I agree with all the comments above. What I don't get is why people feel you must ride a bike at it's full potential.
Assuming the OP has the right mental demeanour / attitude / maturity, and takes few additional advance rider's courses, then riding the Pani should be no different to any other bike.

Does everyone on this forum who's buying a Pani, plan on wringing every last drop of performance out of it?
Perhaps I'm just old and have no sense of fun, because all I plan on doing with mine is use it as commuter with the odd weekend cruise thrown in for good measure. I will never come any where close to discovering the limits of this bike, all I really want to do is ride around on a nice looking bike that feels good.
Over the past 12 months I've considered everything on the market, even scooters, but to me, the only bikes that jumped out at me were the Ducatis. I had my eye on an 1198s, but then pics of the Pani came out so I decided to hold off.
Went to the dealer a month ago and had a chat and was sold. I sat on one last week and could not be happier that I've got one on order.

If the OP would like more meaning responses than "no way, bad idea", perhaps he/she could give more info about him/herself. Like age, height, other interests, intended use etc etc.

skontakt said:

@FrostyFire, It is not about money.
If you start use new good engine (maybe not top) it is better than you start use used.
As a beginner you just do not understand bad used bike.
And you can deal with those problems that do not have to deal.
I just want the bike to be more focused on my skills rather than stand out in a crowd.

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Dude, you don't have any skill.

You can also buy a brand new FZ6, GS500, SV650 to focus on your mad skills.

It's actually troublesome that the 1199 has so many electronic aids. It's going to teach new riders to that it's okay to be unskilled because the electronics will save you. Then when it comes time to ride a different bike you kill yourself.

A 16 year old shouldn't drive a Ferrari as a first car either whether they can afford it or not.

littlejohn said:

Whilst I agree with all the comments above. What I don't get is why people feel you must ride a bike at it's full potential.
Assuming the OP has the right mental demeanour / attitude / maturity, and takes few additional advance rider's courses, then riding the Pani should be no different to any other bike.

Does everyone on this forum who's buying a Pani, plan on wringing every last drop of performance out of it?
Perhaps I'm just old and have no sense of fun, because all I plan on doing with mine is use it as commuter with the odd weekend cruise thrown in for good measure. I will never come any where close to discovering the limits of this bike, all I really want to do is ride around on a nice looking bike that feels good.
Over the past 12 months I've considered everything on the market, even scooters, but to me, the only bikes that jumped out at me were the Ducatis. I had my eye on an 1198s, but then pics of the Pani came out so I decided to hold off.
Went to the dealer a month ago and had a chat and was sold. I sat on one last week and could not be happier that I've got one on order.

If the OP would like more meaning responses than "no way, bad idea", perhaps he/she could give more info about him/herself. Like age, height, other interests, intended use etc etc.

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Agree!
my first bike on "L" 1800 Hammer
respect the throttle and learn at your own pace
ride beyond your abillity and the enevitalble will happen
250s crash hard to
life is not a practice run

Pogley said:

My advice would be to start on an 848. Lets face it to ride the panegale for the way it is made is not for a beginner. you cant ride a bike fast and safley with out experience. This is a bike that will go best on the track. It is made to go fast.
A beginner could ride this bike... a beginner could ride any bike but that person is still a tyro.
The 848 is a perfect bike for beginners for this reason. It doesnt do anything particularly nasty and yet you can ride as fast as anybody else in tighter hiily stuff where the bike excells get all the experince you need and then move up. I find that most riders lose enthusiasm after 200k on roads. r1 suzuki 1000s, 1098, 1198 etc and the 848 will do about 270.It just comes back to the rider.

Start on an easy bike and learn to minimise risk in everything you do.

I met a guy the other day on a beautiful looking 1098s the rear tire told the whole story without looking at the front. He said he didnt like to take risks which is fair enough.
Everybody buys a bike for different reasons.

If you buy the panegale then just stay in your experince envelope and build out.

Read Keith Codes book twist of the wrist 2 and dont make the 7 mistakes or survival reactions that all new riders do.

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@Pogley, thanks for a good analysis of my situation.
I look also at 848 and also carefully chose him as 1199.

I will read Keith Codes. Found it in Russian

littlejohn said:

If the OP would like more meaning responses than "no way, bad idea", perhaps he/she could give more info about him/herself. Like age, height, other interests, intended use etc etc.

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29 age
186 cm (6.1 ft)
86 kg
Good physical shape

I want bike to ride fast and smart.