BST Wheels, Suspension adjustment??

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i did some additional reading. in the discussion thread below, the guy who seemed to be considered a suspension expert by other posters brought up an interesting point regarding low speed vs high speed damping, and the fact that compression/rebound clicks open/close needle orifices that control low speed damping, while high speed damping is controlled by the shim stacks. light weight wheels impact high-speed damping, not low, so if anything, they'd be more likely to require a shim stack change than comp/rebound adjuster changes.

interesting discussion either way. :)

https://www.speedzilla.com/threads/...id-you-change-after-lightweight-wheels.36444/

highspeed and low speed damping are indeed different.

changing the mass of the wheels impacts all damping. High speed or low speed damping is determined by the speed of the wheel to get over the bump, nothing more. The less time the suspension has to react to the bump with an adequate suspension stroke, the more likely it is to be a “highspeed” event.

a higher degree of adjustment may be required to highspeed damping, since the elapsed distance of energy applied and returned by the spring is greater.

again, much of this is academic, and often times what can be calculated as fact on paper has little real word impact that can be perceived.
 
highspeed and low speed damping are indeed different.

changing the mass of the wheels impacts all damping. High speed or low speed damping is determined by the speed of the wheel to get over the bump, nothing more. The less time the suspension has to react to the bump with an adequate suspension stroke, the more likely it is to be a “highspeed” event.

a higher degree of adjustment may be required to highspeed damping, since the elapsed distance of energy applied and returned by the spring is greater.

again, much of this is academic, and often times what can be calculated as fact on paper has little real word impact that can be perceived.

agree with your last two posts.

i remember reading a study (by Avon tires, iirc), demonstrating the complexities of tire behavior with some surprising findings including that overall tire height did not change linearly or intuitively with inflation pressure - height could variably and non-linearly, increase or decrease with decreasing pressures (i.e. as pressure was reduced, tire height occasionally, and surprisingly, increased). pneumatic tires and suspension system physics are astoundingly complex, as illustrated by the fact that entire books are written about the subject.

appreciate the discussion. :)
 
agree with your last two posts.

i remember reading a study (by Avon tires, iirc), demonstrating the complexities of tire behavior with some surprising findings including that overall tire height did not change linearly or intuitively with inflation pressure - height could variably and non-linearly, increase or decrease with decreasing pressures (i.e. as pressure was reduced, tire height occasionally, and surprisingly, increased). pneumatic tires and suspension system physics are astoundingly complex, as illustrated by the fact that entire books are written about the subject.

appreciate the discussion. :)

yep!! Cheers!
 
I also think of it this way: A 200 lb wide receiver hitting you vs a 350 lb lineman, both running at the same speed. The lineman will have more energy, F=ma.
 
I also think of it this way: A 200 lb wide receiver hitting you vs a 350 lb lineman, both running at the same speed. The lineman will have more energy, F=ma.

the lineman would have more force, but he might have less energy depending on how fast they're running. energy is proportional to velocity squared as: KE = mv^2
 
In the case of application over distance and time; energy is largely irrelevant. Force is what we are looking at; since this is mechanical and over a distance. (Travel of the wheel; stroke of the shock)
 
In the case of application over distance and time; energy is largely irrelevant. Force is what we are looking at; since this is mechanical and over a distance. (Travel of the wheel; stroke of the shock)
I wrote energy, but was actually thinking force, just typed the wrong word. lol
 
I wrote energy, but was actually thinking force, just typed the wrong word. lol

we’ll let you off with a warning this time. Future mis steps will receive posts quoting your post to correct spelling, grammar, and contain .... like “my high school buddy’s dad works for _____ and says _____” and lots of “acktualllyyyy”

so. Clean it up.
 
Something to consider here that relates to my Mountainbike is that when I went from alloy to carbon wheels I got heaps more chatter as the wheels are actually stiffer and transfer more vibration. Not sure if it’s the same here but definitely noticeable on my MTB.

I ended up dropping 1-2 psi in the tyres and softening my high speed compression and it was way better.

Also on a side note the standard rear shock on the base V4 is horribly harsh for small bump compliance and I had mine tuned and reshimed and it made a massive difference. Softer for small bumps but way more support.


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