Bye bye 200/55.

I have been wanting to go back to 190/55 for a while now, well my old lady made that decision for me by showing me this pic. A batch showed up at her store yesterday and I am current waiting for my front to show up

That says 190/50 though!

EvoL said:

That says 190/50 though!

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Maybe he went to the Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Can't Read Good?

Are these those new carbon fibre tires?

Castor Troy said:

I have been wanting to go back to 190/55 for a while now, well my old lady made that decision for me by showing me this pic. A batch showed up at her store yesterday and I am current waiting for my front to show up

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Pricing ?

what is the advantage of the 190 over the 200? why do you want to switch to 190?

EvoL said:

That says 190/50 though!

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She stashed the 190/55 in the back and put the 190/50s out. Only one 190/55 came in so far, the rest are irrelevant sizes.

Pricing is the same as Q2, out going tire (which is still incredible!) will be dirt cheap now.

Castor Troy said:

She stashed the 190/55 in the back and put the 190/50s out. Only one 190/55 came in so far, the rest are irrelevant sizes.

Pricing is the same as Q2, out going tire (which is still incredible!) will be dirt cheap now.

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Im waiting to do the same when i switch tires. Please post any changes you might experience. Thanks.

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desmodromic system said:

what is the advantage of the 190 over the 200? why do you want to switch to 190?

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I considered paying 253 dollars for a new SC, then i did some reading on here. In the end, I will make the proper TC adjustments and enjoy a set of Q3s for about 260 (thats what they come to with a mil discount in cycle gear). Dunlop swears that these new tires will last quite a while and I believe them since I had an amazing experience with Q2s on my trusty K5.

quack1199 said:

Im waiting to do the same when i switch tires. Please post any changes you might experience. Thanks.

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I don't foresee anything other than TC adjustment.

FrostyFire said:

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Juicy.

I have a new SC that I'm going to be putting on the rear. But soon as I need a new front, I'll replace it with a Q3.
And once the rear finally goes, I'll get the 200/50 version of the Q3 for it.
I would be interested in a good review of the 190/55 though.

Yup the new Q3's are looking interesting. Per Dunlop's specs, the rear Q3 is about 6.5mm taller and and about 5.5mm narrower than the Q2 in the same 190/55 size, which makes it very similar dimensionally to the Bridgestone S20; considerably more so than the Q2 which had a wider and flatter profile. The front specs about 3mm taller than the S20, which in turn is a touch taller still than the OEM Pirelli SC. That suggests a bit more effect on TC & ABS, but it'll be fine for street riding. For reference, when I replaced my original 200/55 SC with a 190/55 S20, the 190 was 5mm TALLER than the worn 200 that came off. Spec new vs new diameters were only 6mm different, so just 3mm less in rear radius/ride height going from the OEM SC 200/55 to a new Q3 or S20 in 190/55. That's very easy to adjust for with shock length and/or fork height, or just leave it be if you like.

That said, I would NOT put a 200/50 on this bike, since the diameter is smaller than a 180/55 and will cause excessive TC/ABS issues, besides handling like the wide, flat thing that it is. A top 190/55 has plenty of edge grip for the street, and likely most track day stuff as well.

In lieu of more choice in 200/55's, what's really needed to effectively eliminate the TC/ABS issue with 190/55's is a replacement sensor ring on one end that corrects for the tire size; I gather some of the guys racing have had some done up with success, so it's not out of reach. I'd like to have less aggressive TC anyway, since anything above 3 seems like too much already in the dry on stock tires.

Ok, I don't get it.

Ducati had Pirelli specially develop this tire for the Panigale during the project, you should read the interviews by the engineers on this subject.

Why would you want to muck around with this? The 200 Pirelli's are excellent.

DucSyd said:

Why would you want to muck around with this? The 200 Pirelli's are excellent.

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Yes they are - agreed 100%. However, they are close to double the cost of a set of the best Dunlops or Bridgestones, which certainly have enough grip for any sane street riding you might do. They are very, very close to the Pirellis in dry weather performance and almost certainly better in the wet, so a viable option on the street.

I'm having trouble coming to grips with why price is the issue. Why didn't you save $5,000 plus dollars and buy a ZX10r too?

Had dunlop Q's on my CBR600RR. Worst tyres I have ever ridden on. Won't ever touch a dunlop tyre again.

One truth to think about...you get what you pay for. When I moved to Ducati, I knew it would cost a little more, but worth the money in my opinion. Life is short so enjoy the ride...whether it be to the store or down your favorite stretch of twisty road. Just my .02.

DucSyd said:

Ok, I don't get it.

Ducati had Pirelli specially develop this tire for the Panigale during the project, you should read the interviews by the engineers on this subject.

Why would you want to muck around with this? The 200 Pirelli's are excellent.

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Yes they are quite good but last a whole 30 minutes. On top of that, I live in a place where it rains with little to no notice.

Steve B said:

Yes they are - agreed 100%. However, they are close to double the cost of a set of the best Dunlops or Bridgestones, which certainly have enough grip for any sane street riding you might do. They are very, very close to the Pirellis in dry weather performance and almost certainly better in the wet, so a viable option on the street.

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Indeed.

jjsC6 said:

I'm having trouble coming to grips with why price is the issue. Why didn't you save $5,000 plus dollars and buy a ZX10r too?

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I am seeking a better overall street tire, SC is superb but longevity is not it's strong suit.

ihunui said:

Had dunlop Q's on my CBR600RR. Worst tyres I have ever ridden on. Won't ever touch a dunlop tyre again.

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Good deal. You are probably the only person in the world to say that, especially on a 600. Search for Q2s here and watch the video of a guy fly around a track on 190/55 Q2s with water on a ground.

DUCPAN said:

One truth to think about...you get what you pay for. When I moved to Ducati, I knew it would cost a little more, but worth the money in my opinion. Life is short so enjoy the ride...whether it be to the store or down your favorite stretch of twisty road. Just my .02.

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Indeed sir. When i move to a place where weather isn't so temperamental and twisties are close by, I will reengage. Perhaps Qualifiers will be offered in 200/55 in the future.

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I'm having trouble coming to grips with why price is the issue. Why didn't you save $5,000 plus dollars and buy a ZX10r too?

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Seriously man, that's a particularly dumb thing to say; heck, ask Warren Buffett to explain the concept of value to you sometime. Can't speak for anyone else, but I bought my Pani (for cash) because I wanted it. And picked a base because I thought it was a better value, not because it was cheaper. I had two other sportbikes in the garage already when I rode it home, both of which had fresh Q2's on them, so I have a pretty, no make that a really, really good idea of what the difference is in the tires from the saddle. If the Pirellis were that much better overall I wouldn't blink twice about sticking to them, and indeed they're at least a 50/50 choice for my next summer set.

Thing is, I've ridden the thing on 3 different sets of tires so far and know first hand how the bike feels and handles on each set, how they affect chassis measurements, etc. and I'm pretty sure you haven't and don't - do correct me if I'm wrong on that. But where you're coming from is not too far removed from the guy who assumes the qualifiers on his CBR600 were the same as Q2's, which is both ignorant and clueless. This forum deserves better.

Whatever we put on, tires are consumables; whichever set you mount now is going to last a few months (or weeks if you're tracking a lot) and then you put something else on. Never hurts to see what else is out there, and Pirelli are not the only company that make good tires that work well on the Pani.

Castor Troy said:

Good deal. You are probably the only person in the world to say that, especially on a 600. Search for Q2s here and watch the video of a guy fly around a track on 190/55 Q2s with water on a ground.

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Maybe so - doesn't negate my own personal experience of those tyres. Just as my opinion of them doesn't negate yours

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Seriously man, that's a particularly dumb thing to say; heck, ask Warren Buffett to explain the concept of value to you sometime. Can't speak for anyone else, but I bought my Pani (for cash) because I wanted it. And picked a base because I thought it was a better value, not because it was cheaper. I had two other sportbikes in the garage already when I rode it home, both of which had fresh Q2's on them, so I have a pretty, no make that a really, really good idea of what the difference is in the tires from the saddle. If the Pirellis were that much better overall I wouldn't blink twice about sticking to them, and indeed they're at least a 50/50 choice for my next summer set.

Thing is, I've ridden the thing on 3 different sets of tires so far and know first hand how the bike feels and handles on each set, how they affect chassis measurements, etc. and I'm pretty sure you haven't and don't - do correct me if I'm wrong on that. But where you're coming from is not too far removed from the guy who assumes the qualifiers on his CBR600 were the same as Q2's, which is both ignorant and clueless. This forum deserves better.

Whatever we put on, tires are consumables; whichever set you mount now is going to last a few months (or weeks if you're tracking a lot) and then you put something else on. Never hurts to see what else is out there, and Pirelli are not the only company that make good tires that work well on the Pani.

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This post just won the internet.