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All this talk about the Q3 but none about the new Pilot Power 3? Anybody try these yet or thinking about it?
 
i 'm tracking only and there it s better to get to know the tire well instead of changing brands which only confuses many issues.. to keep TCS working, it even requires different data and ecu to do a good job... sharing knowledge on temp and pressures amongst people with years of exprience on a certain brand of tires is invaluable... i must say that just therefore i see absolutely no reason to quit the SC2's from Pirelli yet.. this said, the same arguments for sticking to Mich or Dunlop are just as valid...
 
Steve B said:
Seriously man, that's a particularly dumb thing to say; heck, ask Warren Buffett to explain the concept of value to you sometime. Can't speak for anyone else, but I bought my Pani (for cash) because I wanted it. And picked a base because I thought it was a better value, not because it was cheaper. I had two other sportbikes in the garage already when I rode it home, both of which had fresh Q2's on them, so I have a pretty, no make that a really, really good idea of what the difference is in the tires from the saddle. If the Pirellis were that much better overall I wouldn't blink twice about sticking to them, and indeed they're at least a 50/50 choice for my next summer set.

Thing is, I've ridden the thing on 3 different sets of tires so far and know first hand how the bike feels and handles on each set, how they affect chassis measurements, etc. and I'm pretty sure you haven't and don't - do correct me if I'm wrong on that. But where you're coming from is not too far removed from the guy who assumes the qualifiers on his CBR600 were the same as Q2's, which is both ignorant and clueless. This forum deserves better.

Whatever we put on, tires are consumables; whichever set you mount now is going to last a few months (or weeks if you're tracking a lot) and then you put something else on. Never hurts to see what else is out there, and Pirelli are not the only company that make good tires that work well on the Pani.
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I did not mean my post to be offensive and I don't need a lesson in value. I have bought on value many times in my life. But I would not buy a million dollar home then buy a front door based on price. I you think a different tire is the right choice for you that is fine. I was just responding to the comment that it was to save money.
 
jjsC6 said:
I did not mean my post to be offensive and I don't need a lesson in value. I have bought on value many times in my life. But I would not buy a million dollar home then buy a front door based on price. I you think a different tire is the right choice for you that is fine. I was just responding to the comment that it was to save money.
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All good; no offense taken or intended. But then I suppose I didn't buy the million dollar home here; I bought the $800,000 one for the value. We'll see if I was right come time to flip... ;)

Kope does make a good point for those with their bikes dedicated to track use though. Pick a known, proven quantity for tires and optimize around it -like what everyone does in any series that uses spec tires. Limit the variables while you build your setup book. But of course if everyone starts winning on a different tire, you know you've got some work to do. Nature of the game.

Street riding at a sane pace creates lower and different demands on the tires than track work, so the number of viable options is greater. If mine were a track bike I'd do like Kope and ditch the SP's for SC2's, but for my uses over a good part of the year, I want something that's going to be happy at lower temps and in less clement conditions than the SPs. SP is presently my leading contender for a Summer set, but I'm open minded as new stuff hits the market. Fall/Spring/Winter I'm probably going to have something else on.
 
jjsC6 said:
I did not mean my post to be offensive and I don't need a lesson in value. I have bought on value many times in my life. But I would not buy a million dollar home then buy a front door based on price. I you think a different tire is the right choice for you that is fine. I was just responding to the comment that it was to save money.
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I watch prices so I can afford $1m houses! When given trouble for saving small amounts of money, I say "If you saw a dollar bill on the sidewalk, would you make the effort to bend over and pick it up?" If I can save moeny and maintain my desired value, I go for it. :)
 
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jjsC6 said:
I did not mean my post to be offensive and I don't need a lesson in value. I have bought on value many times in my life. But I would not buy a million dollar home then buy a front door based on price. I you think a different tire is the right choice for you that is fine. I was just responding to the comment that it was to save money.
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If I bought a million dollar home I'd expect to have more options for my upgrades, not less. Not much about the 1199 cheeses me off, but the fact that they simply looked at one brand of tire and based the TC settings on that is one thing that does. It smacks of either laziness or a partnership with Pirelli to help them sell tires. Personally I prefer the profile of Michelins, and that's what I'll be trying on my 1199 next, Ducati's tire recommendations be damned.

What is there super-special about the Pirelli tire that makes it worth $70 more than the Michelin/Dunlop/Bridgestone tire? Pilot Power 3 190/55 is about $185, Dunlop Q3 is about $170, Pirelli Supercorsa SP about $250. Really? Is the Pirelli 40% stickier, or 40% lighter, or lasts 40% longer, to justify the 40% difference in price? Of course not. The Pirellis are good tires, but not any markedly better than their competitors to justify the higher price.
 
I really think my reply was taken out of context. I am as much about saving money if I see something that meets the needs as the next person. My ONLY point was that I thought he was saying that price was the driving factor.

A good example is why I did not buy an "S" model. I did not see the value. I easily could have written a check for the difference, but there are better priorities for the extra $5,000 to me.

I really do apologize if my point was not properly thought out or communicated.
 
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jjsC6 said:
I really think my reply was taken out of context. I am as much about saving money if I see something that meets the needs as the next person. My ONLY point was that I thought he was saying that price was the driving factor.

A good example is why I did not buy an "S" model. I did not see the value. I easily could have written a check for the difference, but there are better priorities for the extra $5,000 to me.

I really do apologize if my point was not properly thought out or communicated.
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No problem I'm sure, I don't think anyone on this forum lets price be the guide where performance/safety is concerned. I have seen people pay more puposely for the same value, just cuz they think money = value :)
 
Trauma said:
No problem I'm sure, I don't think anyone on this forum lets price be the guide where performance/safety is concerned. I have seen people pay more puposely for the same value, just cuz they think money = value :)
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I regret making the comment. In my head it all made sense. How we all justify our spending habits is very complex and personal. My friend I ride with is pretty well off, and while I am not what I call rich, I am financially comfortable in the grand scheme of things. He and I frequently shake our heads over what we piss away money on while agonizing over stupid .....

I have a saying....you can tell how much someone values their hobby by how much stupid money they are willing on spending on it.
 
No problemo J. Due to the phooking tornados in Tampa bay area, i am yet to pick up the tires :(
 
I am getting my 15,000 mile service done this week, and a fresh front and rear tire. But I am having trouble deciding what to get as well. I have had 3 Supercorsa SP rear tires and I don't think they are that phenominal that I can't try something else, which is what I would like to do. Especially since I just use them for the street (for now)

I have never used any other tire except Pirelli but I have rode many bikes for quite long spins with other tires. I think the Rosso Corsa would be a good step down from the Supercorsa as it is offered in 200/55 as well. Wondering if anyone has tried these yet? I may be the hamster on this one and try it.

Second thought is the Pilot Power 3's. I have heard good reviews about them and I know quite a few people switched to them and also down to the 190/55 which it seems just needs a TC adjustment and good to go! So some reviews on that would be great as well.

Looking for grip, price, and duration. The Corsa's and the Power 3's I can snag a set for about $300.
 
elitesoldier357 said:
I am getting my 15,000 mile service done this week, and a fresh front and rear tire. But I am having trouble deciding what to get as well. I have had 3 Supercorsa SP rear tires and I don't think they are that phenominal that I can't try something else, which is what I would like to do. Especially since I just use them for the street (for now)

I have never used any other tire except Pirelli but I have rode many bikes for quite long spins with other tires. I think the Rosso Corsa would be a good step down from the Supercorsa as it is offered in 200/55 as well. Wondering if anyone has tried these yet? I may be the hamster on this one and try it.

Second thought is the Pilot Power 3's. I have heard good reviews about them and I know quite a few people switched to them and also down to the 190/55 which it seems just needs a TC adjustment and good to go! So some reviews on that would be great as well.

Looking for grip, price, and duration. The Corsa's and the Power 3's I can snag a set for about $300.
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You're getting 5000 miles out of SuperCorsas???:eek:
 
Stw said:
You're getting 5000 miles out of SuperCorsas???:eek:
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I run them down to the wires. I never swapped the front yet. So unless the dealer put a new one on without my knowing in the middle of the night, front has had 14,000 miles on it. Just now getting flat on the sides and down to the wear marks.
 
I am highly considering trying the Power 3's. They sound like they are a great tire. I can get a set of those for $300 shipped and in one day delivery. The Corsa's unfortunately aren't carried in a 200/55 locally so I'd have to get a special order and that would probably put me at about $330-$350 shipped. Anyways, I like the Pirelli's I think they work great. But the SP seems to take a while to truly warm up to where I want them. I was happy with the Rosso and Rosso 2 on my 848. But, this bike puts out a lot more power of course, so I don't want something that is too low on the ladder, hence stepping down to a Rosso Corsa. I can get a 200/55 elsewhere or get the shop here to order them.
 
elitesoldier357 said:
I am highly considering trying the Power 3's. They sound like they are a great tire. I can get a set of those for $300 shipped and in one day delivery. The Corsa's unfortunately aren't carried in a 200/55 locally so I'd have to get a special order and that would probably put me at about $330-$350 shipped. Anyways, I like the Pirelli's I think they work great. But the SP seems to take a while to truly warm up to where I want them. I was happy with the Rosso and Rosso 2 on my 848. But, this bike puts out a lot more power of course, so I don't want something that is too low on the ladder, hence stepping down to a Rosso Corsa. I can get a 200/55 elsewhere or get the shop here to order them.
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The Rosso Corsas should be an excellent next step for you I'd say. Doesn't sound like you're putting enough heat in the Supercorsa's to really get benefit of them, which is probably true of a lot of folks due to their riding environments. I'm surrounded by twisty mountain roads where I live, and the OEM SP's were shagged at both ends in a bit over 2500 miles, with a fair chunk of that being cruise mode. Vigorous use and they wouldn't have seen 2K (nor my license, most likely). Put me somewhere with straighter, flatter roads to ride on, and my tire choices would definitely reflect it.

Pirelli position the DRC next in line to the Supercorsa SP and claim it has the same shoulder compound, so it should be a good choice with no TC/ABS worries, even though the impact of going to a 190/55 would likely be minimal for you anyway.
 
I decided to try out a more road worthy tire and chose the Rosso II's in a 190/55 rear (the 200/55 would take 3 to 4 weeks for the Rosso II's or the Corsa's). The Supercorsa's just weren't as sticky as I thought they would be and I was pleased with how the Rosso II's performed on my 848. I picked up a set for $299. Since I don't do any track riding I am going to see how these stack up. I'll have more to follow in a couple weeks after I test them out.
 
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Does anybody know of a tyre that doesnt grip??This would be much much more informative....
 

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