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I don't see how someone with track experience would give the advice to "just let the bike pull itself forward until your backside hits the stop."

As you exit a turn into a straight where getting as tucked as possible is more important, you are applying throttle as you take away lean angle. You are also shifting from having half of your rear off the seat to being centered. This is a conscious movement on the part of the rider. As you go from one side of the seat to the center, you are bearing down on your feet and planting your ass where it needs to be for the next turn or in this example, the center, so you'd be at the stop. Even more to a point, for tall people, almost partially on top of it to really get tucked down.

craig bush said:
Remember, the sbk tank is one of those parts that starts a cascade of other parts to make it work - at least rear subframe and sbk seat iirc. Probably others as well. Brad can confirm if you’re interested.
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Yeah, I saw the rabbit hole the SBK parts becomes. My only issue with going that route for now is that its not easy to go from track to street, it becomes a track only bike at that point. I'm slowly marching in that direction, I'm not ready to ignite the cannons and storm the fortress of SBK yet.
 
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So the plus and minus of the RaceSeats with the tank extender built into the seat…

Plus’s: holds you in place really well under hard braking, much easier to not transfer weight through your arms to the handlebars.

Much easier to get into a good tuck if you’re a bigger guy.

Feels like a much more stable grip with your outer leg as it’s a better leverage angle.

You find yourself much easier avoiding the bad habit of transferring weight to the bats in every situation.

Negatives: there’s really only one, all the things above that are benefited by the narrower deeper extension make it harder to get your ass off the side of the seat. If you’re a one butt cheek off rider it’s fine, but because of the length of my femur I like about 1.5 butt cheeks off to the side.

I think I can adjust around that make it work really well, but it was too much to re-adjust my body position AND sort the very different timing of faster corner entry and a much sharper turning bike all in one day.
 
I don’t know what to tell you… Sounds like you got it sorted. My method works for me. I try not to fight the bike
 
Steven31371 said:
So the plus and minus of the RaceSeats with the tank extender built into the seat…

Plus’s: holds you in place really well under hard braking, much easier to not transfer weight through your arms to the handlebars.

Much easier to get into a good tuck if you’re a bigger guy.

Feels like a much more stable grip with your outer leg as it’s a better leverage angle.

You find yourself much easier avoiding the bad habit of transferring weight to the bats in every situation.

Negatives: there’s really only one, all the things above that are benefited by the narrower deeper extension make it harder to get your ass off the side of the seat. If you’re a one butt cheek off rider it’s fine, but because of the length of my femur I like about 1.5 butt cheeks off to the side.

I think I can adjust around that make it work really well, but it was too much to re-adjust my body position AND sort the very different timing of faster corner entry and a much sharper turning bike all in one day.
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With the stock tank I find that I just want a better purchase on the tank with my outer thigh, even with the rubber tank grips. I also need to work on getting the ball of my foot to the outer portion of the peg so I can get my inside thigh at the right angle without applying a twist at the knee.

I don't know if its a good habit or not, but I found myself shifting to one cheek off, getting my chest down, head to where the mirror would be, ice cream cone grip on the inside bar, etc, but keeping both thighs against the tank for the sole reason of not transferring weight to the bars, especially on right turns.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I don't see how someone with track experience would give the advice to "just let the bike pull itself forward until your backside hits the stop."

As you exit a turn into a straight where getting as tucked as possible is more important, you are applying throttle as you take away lean angle. You are also shifting from having half of your rear off the seat to being centered. This is a conscious movement on the part of the rider. As you go from one side of the seat to the center, you are bearing down on your feet and planting your ass where it needs to be for the next turn or in this example, the center, so you'd be at the stop. Even more to a point, for tall people, almost partially on top of it to really get tucked down.



Yeah, I saw the rabbit hole the SBK parts becomes. My only issue with going that route for now is that its not easy to go from track to street, it becomes a track only bike at that point. I'm slowly marching in that direction, I'm not ready to ignite the cannons and storm the fortress of SBK yet.
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I may be, other issues besides needing the SBK tank (which is a really good tank design) are that I’m not sure the stock display can be mounted to an SBK front subframe…but the thing that may make me do it is the seat…I need a higher seat as I cannot lower the foot pegs anymore without them dragging, whereas it’s pretty easy to get a custom seat height on the WSBK setup
 
Steven31371 said:
I may be, other issues besides needing the SBK tank (which is a really good tank design) are that I’m not sure the stock display can be mounted to an SBK front subframe…but the thing that may make me do it is the seat…I need a higher seat as I cannot lower the foot pegs anymore without them dragging, whereas it’s pretty easy to get a custom seat height on the WSBK setup
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I was thinking slightly higher but more importantly farther back, but I'm thinking past my ability I'm sure. Not to be overly graphic, but you have to t-bag the seat stop if you're tall.

The SBK stuff is a rabbit hole for sure. Once you go down that path you are committed.
 
What problems? I'm just trying to reach higher. You offer bad advice from a point of obviously knowing little. I don't pretend to by Pecco, but I have enough knowledge to know BS when I smell it.

Keep pinning the throttle on those ramps.
 
This is a sport with consequences so best to get advice from people who actually know what they're doing and not only that you have to do the hard yards. All this technical noise is meaningless unless you can get on track and test each adjustment and actually feel a difference, what a lot of people dont seem to get is that top racers have very finely honed senses so a millimetre here and there does matter. The same adjustment for average riders is blank because they cant feel the fine stuff, its just in their heads. Craig said the best thing on this topic, "let it come to you" You dont have to have perfect technique but you need to be comfortable and feel what the bike is doing.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I was thinking slightly higher but more importantly farther back, but I'm thinking past my ability I'm sure. Not to be overly graphic, but you have to t-bag the seat stop if you're tall.

The SBK stuff is a rabbit hole for sure. Once you go down that path you are committed.
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I think that ship has sailed on my bike no matter how much I flirt with the idea of building something new, maybe on a different platform.

As much as we occasionally talk .... about our bikes, and talk about how others may be better bikes, I’ve come to love the Ducati precisely because of it’s faults…the bike just feels like a savage maniac compared to everything else I’ve ridden including a tuned Fireblade…the entire time I’m riding it I feel like I’m on the brink of some catastrophe, it’s brutal, and savage, until…strangely…when you do push it past it’s or your limits, and then, suddenly you have it under control again, like the bike wants keep you alive to brutalize you some more 😂😂😂

It’s Ali saying ‘What’s my name! until you have to go rest for a while and digest what just happened….this bike ....... kicks your ass but makes you want more lol

I could DEFINITELY learn faster and probably go faster on a handful of other bikes, but damn it wouldn’t be as sadistically ‘.... you’ fun lol
 
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bp_SFV4 said:
What problems? I'm just trying to reach higher. You offer bad advice from a point of obviously knowing little. I don't pretend to by Pecco, but I have enough knowledge to know BS when I smell it.

Keep pinning the throttle on those ramps.
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Talk to me when you get out of C’s 😘
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I was thinking slightly higher but more importantly farther back, but I'm thinking past my ability I'm sure. Not to be overly graphic, but you have to t-bag the seat stop if you're tall.

The SBK stuff is a rabbit hole for sure. Once you go down that path you are committed.
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We’ve played with the idea of getting a custom longer rear subframe, that also would be easier to do in a WSBK setup.

Although, to return the gross factor favor, I put some stomp grip on the little diamond shaped section in the tail and plant my ....... right on it and seems to be working fine, if I were a couple inches longer in the torso maybe not though.
 
Paul G said:
This is a sport with consequences so best to get advice from people who actually know what they're doing and not only that you have to do the hard yards. All this technical noise is meaningless unless you can get on track and test each adjustment and actually feel a difference, what a lot of people dont seem to get is that top racers have very finely honed senses so a millimetre here and there does matter. The same adjustment for average riders is blank because they cant feel the fine stuff, its just in their heads. Craig said the best thing on this topic, "let it come to you" You dont have to have perfect technique but you need to be comfortable and feel what the bike is doing.
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I agree with most of that, but I am average or slightly below average at best at the track for now and I still feel every tiny difference, but that’s probably from years on track with the cars.
 

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