Ducati 1199 exhaust = bad.?

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Greetings !

New to the forum, but not new to Duke ownership. I have just purchased ( well 1000 miles ago !! ) a 1199 = Awesome. And i keep reading across the various websites about peeps wanting slip ons / full systems everyone waiting for the AR the Akro etc etc which i find curious..!

IS the std system that bad, I think not....is the fuelling that bad.?, i think not..is it heavy, who knows when on the bike !..

SO can anyone explain other than " cos i can " why they want to change the std system...........at circa 1400 just for the slip ons it seems a foooking stupid amount of cash unless it utterly transforms the bike, which i question as the bike for me is awesome as it is.?

Imho the 1199 is simply mega !

Phil
 
From an albeit slightly conservative position, you are right, but then why do we replace so many perfectly respectable components with aftermarket and DP items!!

IMO, it's part vanity, part individualisation, part upgrade and also part habit :p

Specifically talking about the exhausts, the bike does run better without the exhaust valve, it also sounds amazing.

That's about it.
 
before i herd my 1199 i had plans of getting the termi's full system.
But once i herd it in person right away i knew i was satisfied with the system.
They engineered it good enough for me. When im on a longer road trip i need the extra mileage anyways.
 
Legion748 said:
Greetings !

New to the forum, but not new to Duke ownership. I have just purchased ( well 1000 miles ago !! ) a 1199 = Awesome. And i keep reading across the various websites about peeps wanting slip ons / full systems everyone waiting for the AR the Akro etc etc which i find curious..!

IS the std system that bad, I think not....is the fuelling that bad.?, i think not..is it heavy, who knows when on the bike !..

SO can anyone explain other than " cos i can " why they want to change the std system...........at circa 1400 just for the slip ons it seems a foooking stupid amount of cash unless it utterly transforms the bike, which i question as the bike for me is awesome as it is.?

Imho the 1199 is simply mega !

Phil
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Slips are way more than $1400... anyhow I can tell you that the standard system weighs a ton and doesn't do the bike justice sound or performance wise and it has that silly flap thing too.. .. The Termi sounds sooo much better and take this from someone who's not really a Termi fan from the point of view of cost etc..
 
I would always recommend slips and a race intake. There is little to be gained by headers in terms of power and if in another material, a little bit of weight. The Termi full is SS and really doesn't save any weight from the slips. The Akra is TI which is obviously a weight saver (but power gains would be marginal), but are you competitively racing and need weight savings? Money better spent on shocks forks, magnesium wheels, and chain/sprocket kit. The AR isn't out yet, but they also use a lighter material and have yet to see a power difference because they are silent about its design right now. Everything else is simply bragging rights.
 
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No one believes the stock cans are stock. They're loud and mean. Yes the Termis sound a little better, but not $2k better.

As for the Akra and AR--we will see very soon if those are worth the extra $$$. I suspect the latter will be for me at least.

Also--keep in mind that anyone selling the bike can typically sell the pipe used for 75% of what they purchased it for down the road. (Maybe 50-60% if you wait a really long time.) So figure you drop $2k on an Akra, have the bike for 3 years and then sell the pipe for $1500, you're talking an net cost of about $10 a month if you keep it for 3 years.
 
1400 ukp...for termi slips, I have been waiting to see the AR slips but i think they are gonna be slash cut !! uurgh, I actually like the std / termi look...however no slips worth 1400ukp...

thanks for the feedback...
 
I have put after market exhaust on everything I ever owned, because of the 5-10% HP, sound, and weight/looks (on a bike). The Pani is a hard one to justify, as it already has the sound (Termis are identical with inserts), already has 195HP, and looks awesome. I know I will do it, just not as easy to justify (as if) :D
 
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Trauma said:
I have put after market exhaust on everything I ever owned, because of the 5-10% HP, sound, and weight/looks (on a bike). The Pani is a hard one to justify, as it already has the sound (Termis are identical with inserts), already has 195HP, and looks awseome. I know I will do it, just not as easy to justify (as if) :D
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Agreed lol ! resistance is futile !
 
Xbox said:
From an albeit slightly conservative position, you are right, but then why do we replace so many perfectly respectable components with aftermarket and DP items!!

IMO, it's part vanity, part individualisation, part upgrade and also part habit :p

Specifically talking about the exhausts, the bike does run better without the exhaust valve, it also sounds amazing.

That's about it.
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Well said!

In general no matter what bike you ride:

The stocks are a great exhaust for off track driving (larger percentage of us will do). These manufactures spend a ton of money trying to optimize the bikes to meet environmental regs with the best performance, cost and fuel savings for the off track rider. Ducati maybe the exception for their super bikes :D

The racing full systems such as the Termi, AR, yoshi and so on will give the bike anywhere 3% to 10% more power and shed the weight for the track (small percentage of us will do). If you are trying to better you lap time the full system is the way to go.

Majority of the riders wants the most HP's so we can say mine is better than yours with the bling factor and don't really know when and where to use those horse power properly as it was designed to be used (talking about the power curve). Except of course for Squids drag racing their bikes on the streets and trying to be Rossi and Stoner on public roads.
 
You are right the standard exhaust is great, and really no need to change, although I would do something like disconnect the flapper valve.
I put slip ons on only because I wanted the deeper sound, and I just like have a Ducati with Termi pipes, no other reason and I could afford to do it. Power was never an issue.
 
Xbox said:
From an albeit slightly conservative position, you are right, but then why do we replace so many perfectly respectable components with aftermarket and DP items!!

IMO, it's part vanity, part individualisation, part upgrade and also part habit :p

Specifically talking about the exhausts, the bike does run better without the exhaust valve, it also sounds amazing.

That's about it.
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I just disconnected the valve from the std exhaust, and I am STOKED.
1:Any louder and it would attract the wrong kind of attention
2:Being stock (but loud) is perfect to me. Cops can pull me and ask the question, but they're not going to like the answer. STOCK. Then I can ride away loud as I like , banging through the quick shifter. Bliss.
It's a special kind of perverse pleasure that you get from riding the Pani near cops.
Maybe it's just me"¦..
 
Just disconnect the valve control circuit... Left side of the bike under the fairing
 
one item im intrigued about - forget out and out power, but has anyone ridden before and after termi slip-ons and can confirm whether the bike rides much better? I think the fuelling is off for low end so keen to know if this is a fix, or is custom remap or tune fettle a better way to spend the money?
 
Hugepiece said:
one item im intrigued about - forget out and out power, but has anyone ridden before and after termi slip-ons and can confirm whether the bike rides much better? I think the fuelling is off for low end so keen to know if this is a fix, or is custom remap or tune fettle a better way to spend the money?
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no. no one has ever ridden them before and after and wrote up the experience. sorry.

this is something you really won't find in a ducati 1199 forum by using the search function.

maybe one of the bike magazines comes out with a write up in several years...


;)
 
Hugepiece said:
one item im intrigued about - forget out and out power, but has anyone ridden before and after termi slip-ons and can confirm whether the bike rides much better? I think the fuelling is off for low end so keen to know if this is a fix, or is custom remap or tune fettle a better way to spend the money?
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Just search "termi slips performance" - it is just like using Google, super simple. Put in key words, don't ask a question.
 
Hugepiece said:
one item im intrigued about - forget out and out power, but has anyone ridden before and after termi slip-ons and can confirm whether the bike rides much better? I think the fuelling is off for low end so keen to know if this is a fix, or is custom remap or tune fettle a better way to spend the money?
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^^ See Phil's post above.

The issue is the poor factory tuning. The Italians sure can make a beautiful bike but they can't tune it worth a .... lol. The latest software update (up-map) corrects some of this but there's still work to be done. No the Termi Slips won't "fix" this. But to some (me included) they look and sound a lot better than stock, not to mention the weight savings.
 
I change parts because I like to wrench and if i can get a benefit in either looks or performance then I do it. Also, modding makes the bike "yours" and allows your to express yourself. Yes, Duc parts are not cheap, but then again, neither are Ducs!
 

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