Ducati 1299 Will Have "Tiptronic-Like" Shifting

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Ducati 1299 Will Have ?Tiptronic-Like? Shifting

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If there is a common thread for Ducati's upcoming EICMA reveal, it is the influence and benefits of owner Audi AG. We have already seen the German car manufacturer's variable valve timing technology find its way into the Testastretta engine, in the form of Desmodromic Variable Timing (DVT).
Our sources say that the all-new Ducati Multistrada, which will debut in just a few weeks' time, will be the first model equipped with DVT. While Ducati ups its ante in the ADV market, our Bothan spies have tipped us off to another piece of Audi tech that will find its way onto a Ducati motorcycle, as the 1299 will received a "Tiptronic-like" gearbox that allows for touch-button upshifts and downshifts.
It's not clear if the Ducati 1299 superbike will have a dual-clutch gearbox with its new shifting abilities, but riders will be able to rapidly click through the gears without using the clutch. Our sources make the system sounds like an enhanced version of Ducati's Quick Shift system (DQS), which already allows for clutchless up-shifts.
Adding now clutchless downshifts to the list of features coming to Ducati's superbike line, the Italian company is trying very hard for this mid-model update to be more than just that.
We know already that the 1299 will feature an extra 100cc on the base and "S" models, while the "R" model will remain at 1,198cc for World Superbike regulations. The bump in displacement is a new philosophy for Ducati, which is using the weight savings in its v-twin design to bust category trends with larger displacement machines "” a move first seen with the Ducati 899 Panigale middleweight.
Start counting the days to EICMA, Ducati fans. Good stuff is ahead.

Source: Bothan spies

another one stirring the pot...

I heard the new 1299 will end world hunger.

what about the joy and soul in shifting. you know manual is better than duel clutch shifting. all that jazz you hear from so call purist that say manual is better than automatic

mark419ny said:

what about the joy and soul in shifting. you know manual is better than duel clutch shifting. all that jazz you hear from so call purist that say manual is better than automatic

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you're fanning flames aren't you

Only 1 cup holder?

I heard it'll have a small canister of NOS that's triggered by a button that's next to the throttle...thumb actuated. The idea is similar to OVERBOOST -or- a PASS button in some racing series...20 extra horsepower on demand...








(yup)

RD16RR said:

you're fanning flames aren't you

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no flames im serious here. i have had countless arguments with people who say manual is better than dct. always claim you feel more and stuff like that. my answer is if manual is so good than why does f1 not use it.

DCT is not automatic... at least technically speaking is not... it is a manual transmission with assisted shifting... not what an automatic (in the traditional definition) is/was...

mark419ny said:

no flames im serious here. i have had countless arguments with people who say manual is better than dct. always claim you feel more and stuff like that. my answer is if manual is so good than why does f1 not use it.

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the debate will go on ad nauseam - from what i've been exposed to in my driving a car with paddles, after "many a car" with manual, most recently an s-2000 (which has a great gear box) i would hands down go for a paddle shift, as long as it has a double clutch gear box, which is hands down faster shifting in sport mode, and a lot of fun - yes the "connected feel" that you get from rowing your own boat, will not be there....but the smile from instant shifts/downshifts and down right pavement rippling acceleration will make up for it - and while it won't happen over night, you do have to spend some time learning what and how to get it right.......and thats fun to do too....however, there are people that simply will resist it (as many do in fact resist change) but the new technology, and all its benefits will prevail....

on the Ducati......it is a no brainer (less body movement alone would be worth it, and in the rain it is magical)....i can't wait....let them offer the ability to turn it on or off like they do with dqs (to appease the nay-sayers), but i know mine will always be ON - wether it be a double clutch, or the dqs allowing up & down shifts remains to be seen (i suspect the dqs allowing up/down might be less complicated, but i am not a mechanical engineer)....let them figure it out, and offer it to us.......there will be plenty of us to try it and write our own article

for those that don't like the change aspect, learning anything new, or simply like what they have, thats fine with me, as long as i can have it so be it - i would however offer this thought for them: remember smoke signals, phone booths, cell phones....drum brakes with shoes, power brakes, cast iron rotors with pads...and now carbon ceramic ...manual versus power steering..or how about crank starters, kick starters or electric starters the list goes on.....

"those that resist technology are doomed to repeat it" (resist technology) - the expression no longer applies only to History

ps: the new ZO6 Corvette has a paddle "hydro-matic" This is not you're grand-pa's hydromatic from 1960 - it is not a dual clutch, and remains to be seen how much real fun it is....but initial car mag reports are very favorable indeed

mark419ny said:

what about the joy and soul in shifting. you know manual is better than duel clutch shifting. all that jazz you hear from so call purist that say manual is better than automatic

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Quite right
But then again, I am a purist

mark419ny said:

no flames im serious here. i have had countless arguments with people who say manual is better than dct. always claim you feel more and stuff like that. my answer is if manual is so good than why does f1 not use it.

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The same reason why your street driven car doesn't have anything like the same technology/engineering that's in the F1 cars like the fuel, fuel cells, engines, transaxles, tyres, brakes, materials, etc, etc, etc.

Besides, consider how much your car would cost out the door from the dealer if it did incorporate all the F1 technology.
And there'd be no more seats other than the drivers so the school run would be out of the question. No boot to pack your holiday luggage into and no shopping run to the supermarket.
Then if you wanted to go serious off road 4 wheel driving, there'd not be enough ground clearance or wheel travel, and I'm not very confident about an F1 cars' ability to dive through deep water or tow the boat.

I hear the turning circle of an F1 car is pretty crap as well
That would make the shopping run a bit of a problem.

The only exception would be Nitrogen that's used for inflating tyres.
I do hope you have Nitrogen in your tyres seeing a you're so keep on adopting all things F1 into your life

It's just horses for courses.

Brad said:

The same reason why your street driven car doesn't have anything like the same technology/engineering that's in the F1 cars like the fuel, fuel cells, engines, transaxles, tyres, brakes, materials, etc, etc, etc.

Besides, consider how much your car would cost out the door from the dealer if it did incorporate all the F1 technology.
And there'd be no more seats other than the drivers so the school run would be out of the question. No boot to pack your holiday luggage into and no shopping run to the supermarket.
Then if you wanted to go serious off road 4 wheel driving, there'd not be enough ground clearance or wheel travel, and I'm not very confident about an F1 cars' ability to dive through deep water or tow the boat.

I hear the turning circle of an F1 car is pretty crap as well
That would make the shopping run a bit of a problem.

The only exception would be Nitrogen that's used for inflating tyres.
I do hope you have Nitrogen in your tyres seeing a you're so keep on adopting all things F1 into your life

It's just horses for courses.

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we don't want race cars on the street, we want the technology trickled down to the street....which is the whole point they develop all the things you mention to begin with.....they want to sell cars (yes, win races too....but in the end, its all about sales)

with bikes...the closest we've gotten recently (2008) to a real deal race bike produced for the street was the Ducati Desmosedici - and yet it was still far removed from an actual MotoGP bike - any owner of one was sure closer than ever before to being able to experience a track bike on the street (legally) -- what Ducati gave us was the closest motorcycle possible at the 2008 level of technological development that would work reliably on the street....and they did a real nice job of it...pushing the envelope of manufacturing, reliability, exotic materials, technology, all at a factory produced "affordable" cost

race cars on the street....."horsefeathers" ! -- race bikes (?), that might be doable

Reports are coming in that it'll also have wheelie ASSIST for beginner squids. Amazing stuff.

TricoloreSF said:

Reports are coming in that it'll also have wheelie ASSIST for beginner squids. Amazing stuff.

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Nice, sort of like reverse anti-wheelie control (DRAWC)!

jarelj said:

Nice, sort of like reverse anti-wheelie control (DRAWC)!

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DRAWC holds you at 12 o'clock and only activates if it senses you're wearing shorts and sneakers.

TricoloreSF said:

DRAWC holds you at 12 o'clock and only activates if it senses you're wearing shorts and sneakers.

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LMAO

Can't wait for the official announcements. Should be some exciting stuff.

mark419ny said:

no flames im serious here. i have had countless arguments with people who say manual is better than dct. always claim you feel more and stuff like that. my answer is if manual is so good than why does f1 not use it.

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DCT shifts faster. But I still like shifting gears the old fashioned way with a clutch - I find it more engaging, more fun and a better feel for my shifts. I don't race so I don't care if my bike is a gnats ... or two slower or not.

jjsC6 said:

DCT shifts faster. But I still like shifting gears the old fashioned way with a clutch - I find it more engaging, more fun and a better feel for my shifts. I don't race so I don't care if my bike is a gnats ... or two slower or not.

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...well then....how about the more engaging feel you get from a kick starter

RD16RR said:

...well then....how about the more engaging feel you get from a kick starter

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I installed a suicide clutch on my R. I feel sorry for people that shift with their feet. Must be terrible to have to look in the mirror everyday and know that your a p*ssy.