The gearbox and related components I have now are amazing, a seamless gearbox for me wouldn’t be a factor and I certainly don’t think I would even consider it until they work the bugs out of it and it’s going to have bugs Seems the current service department staff struggle with getting an oil change right, “hey, can you look at this seamless gearbox” Guys with PHDs designing them, guys with GEDs hired to fix them.
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I agree, it's probably ok for the skilled rider/racer, but it's not ready for novices just yet. The one thing they drilled in the rider briefing was to make sure throttle was open during upshifts and completely closed on downshifts. It's almost as if one of us punters screwed one up previously. It was pretty phenomenal, but having one certainly wouldn't make someone as slow as I a better rider. If you don't mind me asking, what are you using? Probably also wasted on someone like me, but I still like mechanical and electronic tech, even if I can't exploit their capabilities.
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So the factory should just stop trying to improve their product?
I doubt anyone outside of Ducati could answer that on a bike which hasn't been released. Those things have certainly changed along the way.
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I believe the seamless gearbox is a 6,000 Euro option, probably built for race use only as it would be very difficult to get longevity from the SSG
Really, can you click off the differences in the R engine from the first year V4 to 2022? Thanks and to your other comment, most people who track or race the R routinely change, rear sets, controls, masters, bars, wheels, etc no matter how much better the OEM improves so it’s to me rather inconsequential to consider that in factoring a purchase.
I would only be interested in an upgraded package that included parts that were specific to Ducati that I couldn’t get aftermarket (cases, heads etc) if none of those core parts changed then I would always go with aftermarket parts and an older donor.
My opinion is the R is a terrible road bike. Low RPM with that single comp ring is messy. So why not offer an R platform to track enthusiasts and club racers as a building block. You get a motor, frame and a kit swing arm for a decent price not the same price as a whole bike.
At least present the option for those guys to get the build they want without all the take offs. Again nothing against the stock R which is a monster but an option would be nice for some.
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This might present a problem in reaching WSBK homologation number requirements.
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Ah, ok. That would make sense. Some of those fanatics simply buy RS's, no?
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Anyone with Google could list all of the differences year to year with the Panigale V4/V4S/V4R lineup, so you're welcome.
To the rest of your post, I don't see how any of that means Ducati shouldn't update the product.
To the rest of your post, I don't see how any of that means Ducati shouldn't update the product.
Well that’s a great idea but unless there has been a significant policy change, those kits are not available to the general public. Additionally the factory Corse builds use the entire Corse suite of parts which if you have ever worked with them, work with each other and not much else so you would need a support and spares which now takes the scenario from track guru/club racer to something a bit more involved. I’m thinking some sort of bridge between a sponsored RS effort and showroom where the buyer is going to chuck a lot of parts and build something.
Yea dude I was really looking to get some info from some of the “doers” not the google jockeys but thanks anyhow.
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Bud, you're just being a .... waffle for the sake of being a .... waffle and injecting conflict in a thread where it just doesn't make sense.
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No, that doesn’t make sense. Selling RS’s to the public would be a financial disaster. Ducati loses money with each Corse bike it sells to customer race teams.
Also, R’s are meant for coffee runs not the race track. This is V4R ownership 101. They have no torque down low to avoid spilling your cuppachino. @RickD996 knows.
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Please tell me who "we all" is and what you suspected.
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Didn't Aprilia offer this build a bike type wsbk replica to the general public a few years ago?
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That’s fun, beats the crap out of “no soup for you” but we do have a race inspired decal kit
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I'm not familiar with their policy as I've never been in the position to buy and maintain one, nor am I fast enough to justify one. I know a few enthusiasts that have RS's of various generations, though I'm fairly certain that they purchased them post season. A friend was just offered to buy Petrucci's bike recently, but he declined. A privateer kit would be interesting indeed, but I think that market would be very small. Sometimes we get lucky and some of those Corse bits become available in the civilian market at less than astronomical prices.
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