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Can’t I easily get that with aftermarket parts?
So the factory should just stop trying to improve their product?
My question is are there any changes to the motor itself and the frame geometry over the earlier units?
I doubt anyone outside of Ducati could answer that on a bike which hasn't been released. Those things have certainly changed along the way.
 
The gearbox and related components I have now are amazing, a seamless gearbox for me wouldn’t be a factor and I certainly don’t think I would even consider it until they work the bugs out of it and it’s going to have bugs Seems the current service department staff struggle with getting an oil change right, “hey, can you look at this seamless gearbox” Guys with PHDs designing them, guys with GEDs hired to fix them.

I believe the seamless gearbox is a 6,000 Euro option, probably built for race use only as it would be very difficult to get longevity from the SSG
 
So the factory should just stop trying to improve their product?

I doubt anyone outside of Ducati could answer that on a bike which hasn't been released. Those things have certainly changed along the way.
Really, can you click off the differences in the R engine from the first year V4 to 2022? Thanks and to your other comment, most people who track or race the R routinely change, rear sets, controls, masters, bars, wheels, etc no matter how much better the OEM improves so it’s to me rather inconsequential to consider that in factoring a purchase.

I would only be interested in an upgraded package that included parts that were specific to Ducati that I couldn’t get aftermarket (cases, heads etc) if none of those core parts changed then I would always go with aftermarket parts and an older donor.

My opinion is the R is a terrible road bike. Low RPM with that single comp ring is messy. So why not offer an R platform to track enthusiasts and club racers as a building block. You get a motor, frame and a kit swing arm for a decent price not the same price as a whole bike.

At least present the option for those guys to get the build they want without all the take offs. Again nothing against the stock R which is a monster but an option would be nice for some.
 
At least present the option for those guys to get the build they want without all the take offs. Again nothing against the stock R which is a monster but an option would be nice for some.

This might present a problem in reaching WSBK homologation number requirements.
 
Anyone with Google could list all of the differences year to year with the Panigale V4/V4S/V4R lineup, so you're welcome.

To the rest of your post, I don't see how any of that means Ducati shouldn't update the product.
 
Ah, ok. That would make sense. Some of those fanatics simply buy RS's, no?
Well that’s a great idea but unless there has been a significant policy change, those kits are not available to the general public. Additionally the factory Corse builds use the entire Corse suite of parts which if you have ever worked with them, work with each other and not much else so you would need a support and spares which now takes the scenario from track guru/club racer to something a bit more involved. I’m thinking some sort of bridge between a sponsored RS effort and showroom where the buyer is going to chuck a lot of parts and build something.
 
Anyone with Google could list all of the differences year to year with the Panigale V4/V4S/V4R lineup, so you're welcome.

To the rest of your post, I don't see how any of that means Ducati shouldn't update the product.
Yea dude I was really looking to get some info from some of the “doers” not the google jockeys but thanks anyhow.
 
Ah, ok. That would make sense. Some of those fanatics simply buy RS's, no?

No, that doesn’t make sense. Selling RS’s to the public would be a financial disaster. Ducati loses money with each Corse bike it sells to customer race teams.

Also, R’s are meant for coffee runs not the race track. This is V4R ownership 101. They have no torque down low to avoid spilling your cuppachino. @RickD996 knows.
 
Well that’s a great idea but unless there has been a significant policy change, those kits are not available to the general public. Additionally the factory Corse builds use the entire Corse suite of parts which if you have ever worked with them, work with each other and not much else so you would need a support and spares which now takes the scenario from track guru/club racer to something a bit more involved. I’m thinking some sort of bridge between a sponsored RS effort and showroom where the buyer is going to chuck a lot of parts and build something.
I'm not familiar with their policy as I've never been in the position to buy and maintain one, nor am I fast enough to justify one. I know a few enthusiasts that have RS's of various generations, though I'm fairly certain that they purchased them post season. A friend was just offered to buy Petrucci's bike recently, but he declined. A privateer kit would be interesting indeed, but I think that market would be very small. Sometimes we get lucky and some of those Corse bits become available in the civilian market at less than astronomical prices.
 
No, that doesn’t make sense. Selling RS’s to the public would be a financial disaster. Ducati loses money with each Corse bike it sells to customer race teams.

Also, R’s are meant for coffee runs not the race track. This is V4R ownership 101. They have no torque down low to avoid spilling your cuppachino. @RickD996 knows.

The guys I know who have them are pretty well off yet enthusiasts at heart. To be fair, I never asked them if they purchased them directly or not. The local guy who has Rossi's GP11 had a couple of them a few years back (ex-Pegram I think). Fact of the matter is that there are more than a few of them in the hands of civilians. Owner of my local dealer still takes his 748RS to the track.
 
Reddings BSB bike was sold as was Rinaldi’s and yes post season. There are a few 1199 RS bikes out there some delivered complete some assembled. I bought a lot of RS stuff from Codex and Forza and scrounged the rest from Rapido, PBM and Nova. I have a fairly good supply for the 99s but again, that stuff is a jigsaw puzzle. Some of the stuff is bolt on, most is not so you end up Making a few pieces to complete something. The whole mystique is somewhat of a joke. RS parts are just parts. Any CNC shop can turn out that stuff at greatly reduced prices. An RS rear brake hanger 985.00 US, nuts. .... is crazy overpriced. I had to buy a crankshaft drive gear for a1299 SL motor, 885.00 for a steel gear. Standard 1299 is 341.00. I really like a lot about Ducati but their parts ripoff is in another level. 809.00 for a Bosch IMU 384.00 for the non Ducati branded.
 
Reddings BSB bike was sold as was Rinaldi’s and yes post season. There are a few 1199 RS bikes out there some delivered complete some assembled. I bought a lot of RS stuff from Codex and Forza and scrounged the rest from Rapido, PBM and Nova. I have a fairly good supply for the 99s but again, that stuff is a jigsaw puzzle. Some of the stuff is bolt on, most is not so you end up Making a few pieces to complete something. The whole mystique is somewhat of a joke. RS parts are just parts. Any CNC shop can turn out that stuff at greatly reduced prices. An RS rear brake hanger 985.00 US, nuts. .... is crazy overpriced. I had to buy a crankshaft drive gear for a1299 SL motor, 885.00 for a steel gear. Standard 1299 is 341.00. I really like a lot about Ducati but their parts ripoff is in another level. 809.00 for a Bosch IMU 384.00 for the non Ducati branded.
Thank you for bringing some clarity into the mystique. A RS, especially BSB or WSBK spec, has always been one of my dream bikes. Maybe partially for the unobtanium parts, but also for the heritage of a particular bike. Performance threshold is well above my skillset, but that is also true of most of the superbikes I've owned or ridden. As petty as it sounds, I love the few Corse and WSBK bits I have because they are what they are. The don't make me any faster or better, but I do feel just a bit special. If I had your garage of RS bits, no doubt I'd go through more than a few boxes of lube and tissue, lol. After riding Rinaldi's F22 (slowly), I have a new appreciation for Ducati engineering, what the sum of those parts can do, and what the rider does to make that happen.
 
These extremely high prices for Corse parts is the evidence of how impractical selling Corse bikes to the public would be. Low volume/high precision = expensive.

Also good luck if you have any Corse electronics problems with any of the proprietary stuff during the late 90s through 2010s. Tough to find computers that’ll run the software and god forbid if you need a new sensor. Might be ok for some time with the newer bikes since they’re running standardized ECU but you’ll likely need an engineer just to start the bike and get it running let alone mess with TC etc.
 

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