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SuperDomestique said:
No, that doesn’t make sense. Selling RS’s to the public would be a financial disaster. Ducati loses money with each Corse bike it sells to customer race teams.

Also, R’s are meant for coffee runs not the race track. This is V4R ownership 101. They have no torque down low to avoid spilling your cuppachino. @RickD996 knows.
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The guys I know who have them are pretty well off yet enthusiasts at heart. To be fair, I never asked them if they purchased them directly or not. The local guy who has Rossi's GP11 had a couple of them a few years back (ex-Pegram I think). Fact of the matter is that there are more than a few of them in the hands of civilians. Owner of my local dealer still takes his 748RS to the track.
 
Reddings BSB bike was sold as was Rinaldi’s and yes post season. There are a few 1199 RS bikes out there some delivered complete some assembled. I bought a lot of RS stuff from Codex and Forza and scrounged the rest from Rapido, PBM and Nova. I have a fairly good supply for the 99s but again, that stuff is a jigsaw puzzle. Some of the stuff is bolt on, most is not so you end up Making a few pieces to complete something. The whole mystique is somewhat of a joke. RS parts are just parts. Any CNC shop can turn out that stuff at greatly reduced prices. An RS rear brake hanger 985.00 US, nuts. .... is crazy overpriced. I had to buy a crankshaft drive gear for a1299 SL motor, 885.00 for a steel gear. Standard 1299 is 341.00. I really like a lot about Ducati but their parts ripoff is in another level. 809.00 for a Bosch IMU 384.00 for the non Ducati branded.
 
endodoc said:
Reddings BSB bike was sold as was Rinaldi’s and yes post season. There are a few 1199 RS bikes out there some delivered complete some assembled. I bought a lot of RS stuff from Codex and Forza and scrounged the rest from Rapido, PBM and Nova. I have a fairly good supply for the 99s but again, that stuff is a jigsaw puzzle. Some of the stuff is bolt on, most is not so you end up Making a few pieces to complete something. The whole mystique is somewhat of a joke. RS parts are just parts. Any CNC shop can turn out that stuff at greatly reduced prices. An RS rear brake hanger 985.00 US, nuts. .... is crazy overpriced. I had to buy a crankshaft drive gear for a1299 SL motor, 885.00 for a steel gear. Standard 1299 is 341.00. I really like a lot about Ducati but their parts ripoff is in another level. 809.00 for a Bosch IMU 384.00 for the non Ducati branded.
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Thank you for bringing some clarity into the mystique. A RS, especially BSB or WSBK spec, has always been one of my dream bikes. Maybe partially for the unobtanium parts, but also for the heritage of a particular bike. Performance threshold is well above my skillset, but that is also true of most of the superbikes I've owned or ridden. As petty as it sounds, I love the few Corse and WSBK bits I have because they are what they are. The don't make me any faster or better, but I do feel just a bit special. If I had your garage of RS bits, no doubt I'd go through more than a few boxes of lube and tissue, lol. After riding Rinaldi's F22 (slowly), I have a new appreciation for Ducati engineering, what the sum of those parts can do, and what the rider does to make that happen.
 
These extremely high prices for Corse parts is the evidence of how impractical selling Corse bikes to the public would be. Low volume/high precision = expensive.

Also good luck if you have any Corse electronics problems with any of the proprietary stuff during the late 90s through 2010s. Tough to find computers that’ll run the software and god forbid if you need a new sensor. Might be ok for some time with the newer bikes since they’re running standardized ECU but you’ll likely need an engineer just to start the bike and get it running let alone mess with TC etc.
 
SuperDomestique said:
These extremely high prices for Corse parts is the evidence of how impractical selling Corse bikes to the public would be. Low volume/high precision = expensive.

Also good luck if you have any Corse electronics problems with any of the proprietary stuff during the late 90s through 2010s. Tough to find computers that’ll run the software and god forbid if you need a new sensor. Might be ok for some time with the newer bikes since they’re running standardized ECU but you’ll likely need an engineer just to start the bike and get it running let alone mess with TC etc.
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I suppose it would become expensive garage art at that point. One of my top dream bikes is a Supermono, and if I'm so blessed as to own one one day, I do plan on riding it. Should I be afraid to ride it because I can't get parts/support? If at some point some failure or problem prevents me from riding it, I'll push it to the top of a steep hill and coast down while making "Braaaap" noises if I have to. Probably more my pace anyways lol. Kaming rides his GP11 and I'm guessing parts and support are worse than any RS in civilian hands. For me, having to take that chance would be a good problem to have. YMMV.
 
Yep, there is a member here that has a MM sstk Kit that has been quite a project. The MM kit I got from BSD was plug an play and came with base map settings but you’re correct in that Wintax did run on an older windows platform. I like the aftermarket kits (MM,Motec) primary because of the complete segregated subsystems. I can use what I want and leave off what I don’t. In the case of my last build all I wanted was engine management. All the new Ducati electronic platforms are for sure awesome but way more than I want or need for what I’m doing and I can’t minimize it as it’s all integrated electronically and electrically. I’m currently using engine management, and QS function and running open loop (no O2) with pre defined maps. No rider aids. Super simple and very reliable.
 
DucatiTerminator said:
Thank you for bringing some clarity into the mystique. A RS, especially BSB or WSBK spec, has always been one of my dream bikes. Maybe partially for the unobtanium parts, but also for the heritage of a particular bike….
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I felt similarly until recently. A friend picked up a retired rs so I’ve gotten to witness the ownership experience - the notion of never meeting your heroes comes to mind.

If you’re so wealthy that money isn’t really a commodity anymore and you could have professional support to track a wsbk or gp bike, that would be fun, but otherwise idk.
 
DucatiTerminator said:
I suppose it would become expensive garage art at that point. One of my top dream bikes is a Supermono, and if I'm so blessed as to own one one day, I do plan on riding it. Should I be afraid to ride it because I can't get parts/support? If at some point some failure or problem prevents me from riding it, I'll push it to the top of a steep hill and coast down while making "Braaaap" noises if I have to. Probably more my pace anyways lol. Kaming rides his GP11 and I'm guessing parts and support are worse than any RS in civilian hands. For me, having to take that chance would be a good problem to have. YMMV.
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Supermono is prob ok. Used Weber FI and no sophisticated electronics. Electronics are probably similar to 916. Also I think Pierobon makes parts for the Supermono if you need anything.

Once you get into the TC era, that's where things can go sideways.

I've heard that running a Desmosedici, which was one of these bikes that lost Ducati a lot of money but gave them great street cred, is getting more and more difficult. You can't even run the original 16 inch rear with good track tires.
 
craig bush said:
I felt similarly until recently. A friend picked up a retired rs so I’ve gotten to witness the ownership experience - the notion of never meeting your heroes comes to mind.

If you’re so wealthy that money isn’t really a commodity anymore and you could have professional support to track a wsbk or gp bike, that would be fun, but otherwise idk.
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At least you don't own an 90s-2000s F1 car. You had to preheat the motor oil and hot start it
 
craig bush said:
I felt similarly until recently. A friend picked up a retired rs so I’ve gotten to witness the ownership experience - the notion of never meeting your heroes comes to mind.

If you’re so wealthy that money isn’t really a commodity anymore and you could have professional support to track a wsbk or gp bike, that would be fun, but otherwise idk.
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Another great problem to have, but no, I'm not wealthy. I'm just a working stiff that has always chased bikes that are out of my league, and as I age, experiences, before I get too old to enjoy them. I'd like to say that I'm a practical person, but who am I trying to kid? lol

Never say never, but reality is that I'll likely never own a RS. On the other hand, I have met my heroes -- Bayliss, Rossi, and Ago -- and they continue to be. :)
 
SuperDomestique said:
Supermono is prob ok. Used Weber FI and no sophisticated electronics. Electronics are probably similar to 916. Also I think Pierobon makes parts for the Supermono if you need anything.

Once you get into the TC era, that's where things can go sideways.

I've heard that running a Desmosedici, which was one of these bikes that lost Ducati a lot of money but gave them great street cred, is getting more and more difficult. You can't even run the original 16 inch rear with good track tires.
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My understanding is that between Pierobon, Alistair Wager, and Jeff Nash, I could probably maintain a Supermono. I just need to be able to find and afford one first ;)

Funny you mention the D16RR. My "Eleanor" since 2008 when I had to give the one slated for me up. I've heard that Bridgestone is making the 16-inch BT-01R again, and either way, Marchesini and BST make 17" wheels that fit so you can run some decent rubber.
 
DucatiTerminator said:
My understanding is that between Pierobon, Alistair Wager, and Jeff Nash, I could probably maintain a Supermono. I just need to be able to find and afford one first ;)

Funny you mention the D16RR. My "Eleanor" since 2008 when I had to give the one slated for me up. I've heard that Bridgestone is making the 16-inch BT-01R again, and either way, Marchesini and BST make 17" wheels that fit so you can run some decent rubber.
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17” tires on D16 is sacrilegious
 
ducfan69 said:
This place currently has Scott Redding's WSBK RS for sale, I did us all a favor and asked the price- it can be yours for 180k.

Ducati Panigale WSBK - Amatumoto Grand Prix Motorbikes

Someone buy it and tell us how it is, lol
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If only!

They have a tendency to make slow guys less slow...

;)

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DucatiTerminator said:
You have some high standards, lol. The only thing that would stop me from buying that bike is... $180K. ;)
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Haha! Doesn’t everyone have $180k burning a whole in their/thems pocket? I mean I heard Biden was handing out money left and right to lazy unemployed people during Covid recovery. If those people can’t afford it, then no one can.
 

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