Ducati V4 SP WTF is it?

Just saw a clip from Marty AMS Ducati on the SP. He states that the R was not produced in 2021. Is this right? So what is the SP? Does it have an R motor or is it a standard 4 with a dry clutch? Ducati is like an unorganized buffet. Is this another "parts bin offering? I remember when the CF wheels came out on the 1299SL (another Ducat "exclusive") and Ducati said there were very few sets made over the 500 production #. Now they are on the , V4SL and now this thing. Anyhow is this just a V4S with the wheels from 2017, rear sets, an off the shelf dry clutch and a numbered top clamp? with an R price tag?

Yep.

The V4SP is Ducati stereotype incarnate. It's a parts bin special with nothing unique to itself, marked up a couple grand on top of the various accessory costs. I would be more understanding if it had some unique trick parts like a CF airbox or something like the old SP models used to have, but nope, just a Rizoma catalog thrown at a V4S.

Yet people will buy it up because it's a convenient way to own a special edition "race" bike (in their eyes) without having to do any wrenching.

That’s what I thought so it’s doesn’t have the R motor correct?

endodoc said:

That’s what I thought so it’s doesn’t have the R motor correct?

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I could be wrong, but I am about 85 percent sure it's the 1103cc motor with a STM dry clutch kit.

MaverickiB said:

Yep.

The V4SP is Ducati stereotype incarnate. It's a parts bin special with nothing unique to itself, marked up a couple grand on top of the various accessory costs.

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You sure about that?

V4S = $28,400
V4SP = $37,000

Difference = $8,600

BST Rapid tek wheels = $4,050
STM dry clutch = $3,100
Carbon fiber winglets = $820
Carbon front fender = $400
Rizoma rearsets = $1,200

Accessories = $9,570

There's probably other accessories included as well. Plus you dont have to pay someone to re-paint your "big red blob" if you already like the way it looks.

I honestly dont understand the hate of the special edition bikes. Maybe a lot of it is ignorance and/or not being able to think for ones self and repeating the stereotypical "parts bin special" mantra. Maybe just jealous/mad they didnt get one? Maybe I'm just biased since I have one? I dunno. I think every single one of them is looks amazing and offers great value compared to the "regular" versions.

Oh and fyi - the SP does not have the R motor. A 5 sec google search is all it takes. Research and math are special skills these days.

Oh oh, struck a nerve. Sorry man. It’s a beauty. Wish I could afford something like that but alas, way out of my league. Anyhow lets have some fun and look at a bit of history
1 Ducati releases the 1199SL with its "exclusive SL power plant only to introduce the same platform into the later 1199R (same spec cams, Ti rods, Light crank, single ring slugs)

2 Ducati releases the 1299SL with its exclusive SL power plant, exclusive CF wheels, exclusive CF frame, exclusive CF swing arm and a CF body kit. Awesome bike, and these parts were "exclusive" to the 1299SL and their respective owners, exclusive right up to the point that they weren't. The motor went on to go into the Final Edition as the R. Tamburini started selling CF frames, swing arms, and full motor kits (I know, I bought a bunch from them).

3 Ducati releases the V4 SL and were thinking, another exclusive masterpiece from the brand only oops, no exclusive motor this time, standard R motor and wait, those "exclusive" wheels hey, those look familiar as does most of the hardware and it should, a lot It came from the 1299SL. No big deal, Ducati assures us that while the wheels were exclusive to the 1299SL what we meant was that they are exclusive to the SL series. Sorry for the confusion. And then Kablamo, what do we have here, a V4 SP with the same (exclusive to the SL owners) wheels. Well aint that a kick in the teeth. And look, its the (engineered to work exclusively with the new powerful, homologated V4R motor) dry clutch on well, a stock V4 motor that's going to be a pain in the ass as a daily driver.

2021 SP. Claudio, there's no V4R for 2021. WTF? How are we going to get 40K from these guys? Hold on, let me check the inventory from 2017 and get back to you. Claudio, were in luck.

So yea, its not that there is anything wrong with the SP or any of the "special" bikes. The 1299SL was IMO the pinnacle as it did have an exclusive powerplant right up till the point that it didn't Whats wrong is the brand saying one thing and doing another. RyFly's math is decent. You got a stock 1299S with 10K of OTC upgrades. I guess that's a special bike these days. Oh I did forget the special "exclusive" top clamp, I guess that's something.

Better get vesparacer or don14 up in here to clean this mess up lol

Ducati modified is calling and wants its SP back

The only thing to add to RyFly’s math, which further supports his case, is that his figures don’t include labor for installation of all those parts which is NOT insignificant. So I think the SP makes sense if you’re otherwise looking at a V4S with similar or identical aftermarket bling.

But sure, I like and appreciate a homologated 999cc motor, too. I hope it returns one day!

Endo, I get what you're saying. However, in the end it sounds a bit like jealousy. "Hey you said these wheels (or engine or whatever else) were gonna be exclusive to my $90k bike, now you're giving to them people spending $40k on their bike. That's not fair!" Is what I'm imagining.

In the end I chalk it down to the progress of technology. There will *always* come along something better for cheaper. At the very least, you will *always* get the same for cheaper in a couple years. Also i never buy into anything just because someone says it's "exclusive." Nothing is exclusive.

Yes, I got a stock 1299S with a few OTC upgrades for cheaper than I would've had to pay for those same upgrades I was going to get anyways. Plus I liked the looks of the bike much better, which is not so "OTC". Was the perfect deal *for me.*

I think you have been around the board long enough to know “jealousy” isn’t a factor at least for me. My point was Ducati has now become monotonous in building “buffet” bikes with whatever they have left in the inventory, slapping a “your special” plaque on it and getting top dollar for it.

So I’m guessing the SP is now their top of the line bike? Not criticizing your ride man, you like it, you feel you received value in your purchase and that’s all that matters.

sure seem to care a lot about what ducati's up to...

And you seem to care what I’m up to so what’s your point?

As a Ducati owner and fanboy, I care very much what Ducati is up to.

endodoc said:

And you seem to care what I’m up to so what’s your point?

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just doing my part to fan the flames here... it's quite entertaining.

LOL no flames man. Just interested to hear some comments. As stated numerous times in other rants, I’m not a fan or anti fan of any brand. It’s just nuts, bolts and parts to me. Ducati ended for me at the 99s. The twin is what I drank the kool aid for. 4 cylinder, not touching it. If I couldn’t build without restriction (and thankfully, I don’t have those constraints) and I had to buy an off the shelf 4 cylinder bike I would buy the BMW M or the Honda RRR from a value perspective.

endodoc said:

I think you have been around the board long enough to know “jealousy” isn’t a factor at least for me. My point was Ducati has now become monotonous in building “buffet” bikes with whatever they have left in the inventory, slapping a “your special” plaque on it and getting top dollar for it.

So I’m guessing the SP is now their top of the line bike? Not criticizing your ride man, you like it, you feel you received value in your purchase and that’s all that matters.

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And I think it's nice to have a variety of different bikes and combos from the factory. To me, it's better than "Here's your red bike. See you again with a slightly different red bike 2-3 years form now." Like most of the other manufacturers. That's lazy to me. At least Ducati is adding diversity to the lineup.

I also wouldn't call them "getting top dollar" for them if they are charging less than the individual accessories sold separately. Not that those aren't overpriced as it is, but that's besides the point.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective and opinion.

valid points. So if the R is gone how does the homologation thing work? Don’t they still need a spec displacement bike?

How could they skip the R version with Honda’s new FB.RR-R model? It has 3 Rs!
Here is the 2021 Panigale V4R in all of its glory and title as top of the line.
No major updates does not mean it's cancelled. Most likely it means it's getting a much bigger update for 2022.
I'm sure it will be electric hybrid with bigger wings available in any color you want as long as it's red.


https://www.webbikeworld.com/2021-ducati-motorcycle-lineup/#Panigale

endodoc said:

Just saw a clip from Marty AMS Ducati on the SP. He states that the R was not produced in 2021. Is this right? So what is the SP? Does it have an R motor or is it a standard 4 with a dry clutch? Ducati is like an unorganized buffet. Is this another "parts bin offering? I remember when the CF wheels came out on the 1299SL (another Ducat "exclusive") and Ducati said there were very few sets made over the 500 production #. Now they are on the , V4SL and now this thing. Anyhow is this just a V4S with the wheels from 2017, rear sets, an off the shelf dry clutch and a numbered top clamp? with an R price tag?

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Ha ok that makes sense. The AMS video is a bit misleading. The R is the way to go if you are going to a 4. Just my opinion. The motor and suspension are what make the bike.