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I'm pulling a number out of my ass. But I suspect it will be similar in peak due to revs, but lower in torque. We have a year to guess though.
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I think the speciale will hold value better. A 2013 tricolore is now worth about the same on the books as my 2013 R. And this speciale is numbered. Both are depreciating assets, but the speciale will likely depreciate at a slower pace.
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How much was an R out the door in the states assuming msrp back in 2013? Out of curiosity.
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I was planning on getting the Speciale, but one problem here in the UK is the cost of insurance once your bike costs more than £20k.
With the V4 S being £24k, it can be valued at £19,999 for insurance purposes, and will cost me somewhere around £300 with a £600 excess for insurance but with the Speciale costing £35k, it would be too much risk to insure it at a value of £19,999 and as such the quotes I have been getting is around £8k with a £7k excess.
Try Ducati insurance. My 2015 R was over £28k and came out at £650, 35 yro, previous speeding, full no claims, 14 years riding. But they advised me on how to get the premium down so I had a tracker fitted, no problem, they were really helpful. It was either that or I wasn't buying the bike
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I'm thinking the Speciale isn't so special personally. It's the S with paint, an exhaust and a few other goodies thrown in like the seat. Sure it gets a number, but that's it, they've beaten that to death just lately and taken the edge off for me.
Essentially there's nothing here that you cannot do yourself to an S. It's all DP catalogue and a paint job. You don't even get the wheels unless you pay more!
The R will be worth the wait. It will have differences that you can't just pick up off the shelf and bolt on. It's where my money is headed.
Essentially there's nothing here that you cannot do yourself to an S. It's all DP catalogue and a paint job. You don't even get the wheels unless you pay more!
The R will be worth the wait. It will have differences that you can't just pick up off the shelf and bolt on. It's where my money is headed.
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I'm thinking the Speciale isn't so special personally. It's the S with paint, an exhaust and a few other goodies thrown in like the seat. Sure it gets a number, but that's it, they've beaten that to death just lately and taken the edge off for me.
Essentially there's nothing here that you cannot do yourself to an S. It's all DP catalogue and a paint job. You don't even get the wheels unless you pay more!
The R will be worth the wait. It will have differences that you can't just pick up off the shelf and bolt on. It's where my money is headed.
totally agree with this!
The R will be the high revving exotic
It feels like Ducati produce more limited bikes then they do production bikes, there will be a many more numbered bikes during the next 5 years of the V4 bike production.
We still have the anniversary model maybe an SP model a Christmas model etc don't be fooled by it.
and the thing is besides the SL's there is nothing special about them except a paintjob everything you can buy from the dealer.
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Yeah, I'm surprised by all the voters in the other thread. Most people seem to be going for the Speciale if they're buying. I feel like if I do decide to bite the bullet and get one it would probably be the base model. With an exhaust, tune, and paint job I'll have most of the appeal of a Speciale for the price of an S. (Not a speciale paint job btw, just something different than red. Probably all black)
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Imagine the special edition(s) when Ducati win the MotoGP championship!
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I already posted in the other thread the cost of the DP accessories that are on the Speciale, and it's only $2k less than the actual price of the bike, not including the paint job and the limited number run, which is not difficult to value at $2k. IF - and that's the big IF - you like and want all of the DP accessories that come on the bike, and you are a person who would probably end up buying a lot of that stuff to put on your bike anyway, AND you really like the paint job, then I fail to see the objection to the price of the bike. If it was priced at $50k as it's spec'd then I'd agree with you. Personally, not speaking as a dealer, I would totally buy a Speciale if I was going to ride it on the street. It looks awesome in person, it's the "cool" first-year special launch model, and I'm a carbon-o-holic with my street bikes so I'd end up adding most of that extra stuff anyway, and then I'd have an "upgraded" S-model with $15k of upgrade parts that in market terms is worth significantly less down the road than the Speciale will be.
don't disagree Jarel I just think the limited model idea is becoming a bit old and a cynical marketing ploy.
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Or is Ducati giving the market what it wants? If it's getting "old" and the market doesn't really want it, then the bikes would be sitting around unsold on dealer floors. But that's not reality, the limited models have all been sold out consistently. Ducati has been smart about it I think, they've listened to dealers on how many of those bikes we think we can sell, and they only make that many. I can't think of the last limited model that we had sitting on our floor for sale for any significant amount of time. It's usually the opposite, we have a buyer or two who pop up late and still want one, and I either can't get one or I have to scour the country trying to find one I can get in from another dealer. Limited models are not for everyone, but for the people who do want them and value them, what's the problem? It doesn't diminish your ownership experience one bit if you don't own one.
Kind of like how Apple made me buy an iPhone X, those sons of ............
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Apple sure knows how to market their goodies!
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