Ducati V4 Speciale or wait?

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Obviously I don’t speak for anyone but myself but I really appreciate the limited models and they seem to be the only models I buy.. That said, I don’t like limited models for the sake of the number. I like limited models based on the homologation model for racing. It’s a plus if it has a little extra like the 1199SL (it’s the R but with weight taken out to the extreme) or the Xerox (special livery) but something like my 1098R is just plain awesome. I love how it contrasts a little with the 916 SPS that was limited but purely a stripped down homologation model for WSBK which, again, is pretty darn awesome.
 
Sherpa23 said:
Obviously I don't speak for anyone but myself but I really appreciate the limited models and they seem to be the only models I buy.. That said, I don't like limited models for the sake of the number. I like limited models based on the homologation model for racing. It's a plus if it has a little extra like the 1199SL (it's the R but with weight taken out to the extreme) or the Xerox (special livery) but something like my 1098R is just plain awesome. I love how it contrasts a little with the 916 SPS that was limited but purely a stripped down homologation model for WSBK which, again, is pretty darn awesome.
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What was your opinion of the Bayliss 1098R? It wasn't the actual homologation bike, it was the homologation bike with a limited paint job and some extra bits added in.

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Jarel may be able to confirm this to some degree but based on the amount of V4’s most dealers are getting they will be very limited next year. It seems to me that at 1500 the Speciale May be the bike they are focusing on producing next year. Like most of you I have always purchased the base and added. This time I am thinking about going all in and that may be the best way to get a V4 next year.
 
jarelj said:
What was your opinion of the Bayliss 1098R? It wasn't the actual homologation bike, it was the homologation bike with a limited paint job and some extra bits added in.

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I actually owned number 19 of this bikes so I'm not anti numbered bikes there just seems to be so many of them now when they are not really very different to a base model.

Case in point the Tri version or anniversary models.

the SL's are a totally different animal as are some of the old SP and R models and for the numbered clamps should be limited to them.

But the market obviously dictates differently.
 
I remember seeing the Bayliss rep when I went to the dealership to pick up my Hypermotard in 2008. I was about to inquire about it when the wife overheard me and vetoed my attempt.
 
Desmolvr said:
Jarel may be able to confirm this to some degree but based on the amount of V4's most dealers are getting they will be very limited next year. It seems to me that at 1500 the Speciale May be the bike they are focusing on producing next year. Like most of you I have always purchased the base and added. This time I am thinking about going all in and that may be the best way to get a V4 next year.
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Ducati will be making WAY more S models than Speciales. We're getting 3 times as many S's at our shop. The bike that will be rare in the first run will be the standard model, most first-year buyers historically have wanted the S so that's most of what we ordered. Standard models are usually 1) track guys who are going to build it up or 2) the "bargain" buyer, who is not typically a first-year buyer. Just generalizing of course, but that gives you some perspective.
 
Thank you that makes sense. My local dealer said that they are only getting a handful of V4’s with 2 Speciale. It may be they are a multi line dealer Ducati, Triumph & BMW.
 
jarelj said:
I already posted in the other thread the cost of the DP accessories that are on the Speciale, and it's only $2k less than the actual price of the bike, not including the paint job and the limited number run, which is not difficult to value at $2k. IF - and that's the big IF - you like and want all of the DP accessories that come on the bike, and you are a person who would probably end up buying a lot of that stuff to put on your bike anyway, AND you really like the paint job, then I fail to see the objection to the price of the bike. If it was priced at $50k as it's spec'd then I'd agree with you. Personally, not speaking as a dealer, I would totally buy a Speciale if I was going to ride it on the street. It looks awesome in person, it's the "cool" first-year special launch model, and I'm a carbon-o-holic with my street bikes so I'd end up adding most of that extra stuff anyway, and then I'd have an "upgraded" S-model with $15k of upgrade parts that in market terms is worth significantly less down the road than the Speciale will be.
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Would you kindly point me to the direction where you posted the cost or the DP accessories?

Cheers mate.

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jarelj said:
What was your opinion of the Bayliss 1098R? It wasn't the actual homologation bike, it was the homologation bike with a limited paint job and some extra bits added in.

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It’s a great bike but I prefer the regular 1098R over the Bayliss. I just prefer the color scheme and design. Conversely, on the 999R Xerox, I preferred that over the regular 999R. On the 998 bikes I didn’t like the special liveried versions over the regular S version either. Maybe I’m just weird.
 
nitrouz said:
i just saw that. Would you kindly see how much the full akra exhaust retails for? I know the price will be different than here in canada but it'll give me a good idea. Thanks jarelj.

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$5300 usd
 
I don't question the cost of "upgrading" an S to the same spec as a Speciale (save the paint job and numbered top yoke) would be around $15K, however, 6-12 months down the line there will be a lot more choice available to the consumer in terms of aftermarket parts, such as CNC Racing, Termignoni, CDT Fullsix, Lightech etc etc, many of whom will not carry the inevitable markup that DP accessories are loaded with. The new affiliation with Rizoma will undoubtely result in their V4 range of parts being sold exclusively through dealerships and that will undoubtedly bloat the retail price. Ultimately, if you can afford to wait, I think you could replicate the list of DP parts on the Speciale with equally well made and well known manufacturer components, for a good deal less than $15K.
 
topolino said:
I don't question the cost of "upgrading" an S to the same spec as a Speciale (save the paint job and numbered top yoke) would be around $15K, however, 6-12 months down the line there will be a lot more choice available to the consumer in terms of aftermarket parts, such as CNC Racing, Termignoni, CDT Fullsix, Lightech etc etc, many of whom will not carry the inevitable markup that DP accessories are loaded with. The new affiliation with Rizoma will undoubtely result in their V4 range of parts being sold exclusively through dealerships and that will undoubtedly bloat the retail price. Ultimately, if you can afford to wait, I think you could replicate the list of DP parts on the Speciale with equally well made and well known manufacturer components, for a good deal less than $15K.
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But it with still be an "S", not a Speciale
 
bradp51 said:
But it with still be an "S", not a Speciale
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Yes loud and clear but not everyone cares about that. Some are not looking to replicate it visually but spec or performance wise will match or exceed it. For less initial outlay. Whats more unlike the Speciale, they could take the bike back to stock and sell all the parts to recoup some costs or transfer all those parts onto the V4S 1283cc they trade in their S for, in 2019.

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I'll be very happy with 'just' an S.. hell, even the base would likely more than satisfy me until the R comes out in 2019.

Props to those going for the Speciale though. Lovely bike and good value off the initial launch.
 
Okay, so there's not much between an S adding parts and essentially creating a Speciale....... but don't forget the 'optional' magnesium wheels! What they're actually saying is it should be a £39k bike.

This really concerns me, especially with the R to follow. What this has proven is Ducati are more than prepared to offer the R at £35k then £5k race kit/exhaust, £3.5k magnesium wheels and a £1.5k carbon package. I don't see how else they can make this bike and stay within the WSBK price cap.
 
Mutt1979 said:
Okay, so there's not much between an S adding parts and essentially creating a Speciale....... but don't forget the 'optional' magnesium wheels! What they're actually saying is it should be a £39k bike.

This really concerns me, especially with the R to follow. What this has proven is Ducati are more than prepared to offer the R at £35k then £5k race kit/exhaust, £3.5k magnesium wheels and a £1.5k carbon package. I don't see how else they can make this bike and stay within the WSBK price cap.
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yep not going to be cheap but i think the R models are ok value for money. The 2015 model i thought you got a lot for you $$ and out of the box was close to a race bike.
 
Maybe they will take the "package" deals to the next level and offer a track only R to
keep the price down (saving on all the conversion time and junking of lights etc),
and a road R for the street folk/collectors.
Would that be within the wsbk homologation rule limitations?
 

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