Ducati V4 Speciale or wait?

reganc · Nov 18, 2017

The current rules state that 125 units must be produced at the time of the first homologation inspection, 250 by the end of the bike’s first year of racing in WSBK, and 500 by the end of the second year. In an attempt to ensure that costs do not get completely out of control, engine tuning is still limited and a price cap of £35,000 has been put on all homologation bikes.

its possible the new R will be bare bones and a track package is offered but i'm purely speculating would need Jarel's view on this.

990Glen · Nov 18, 2017

Do the units have to be identical though, or could we see the numbers made up of 50%
bare bones and 50% with road trim for example? The core of the bikes would be the
same, ie engine, suspension etc, but just cut back on stuff which ends up in the attic
for the track version. (Do they need to be street certified?)
I recall that Foggy Petronas never met the build totals in the end, but were they street
ready or not? Memory fails me now!

Sherpa23 · Nov 18, 2017

reganc said:
The current rules state that 125 units must be produced at the time of the first homologation inspection, 250 by the end of the bike's first year of racing in WSBK, and 500 by the end of the second year. In an attempt to ensure that costs do not get completely out of control, engine tuning is still limited and a price cap of £35,000 has been put on all homologation bikes.

its possible the new R will be bare bones and a track package is offered but i'm purely speculating would need Jarel's view on this.

Are the units that low? I could be wrong but I want to say that in 2008 when the 1098R came out, it was lowered to 1000 units worldwide and so there was a special run of really advanced homologation bikes for WSBK then (part of what I think makes the 1098R such a special bike) but then it was taken back up to 3000 units in 2010 or 2011. I never heard that it was brought down to 250 units a year.

If that's the case, and all of the other parameters are the same, I am even more excited about the R model.

Riki · Nov 18, 2017

Sherpa23 said:
Are the units that low? I could be wrong but I want to say that in 2008 when the 1098R came out, it was lowered to 1000 units worldwide and so there was a special run of really advanced homologation bikes for WSBK then (part of what I think makes the 1098R such a special bike) but then it was taken back up to 3000 units in 2010 or 2011. I never heard that it was brought down to 250 units a year.

If that's the case, and all of the other parameters are the same, I am even more excited about the R model.

it ´s the minium for the homologation, they can build as many as they can sell.

jarelj · Nov 18, 2017

I'd think just look at the Panigale R and you'll have a blueprint of what they'll do with the V4R. I see virtually zero chance of a pared-down "actual" race bike being offered, other than the RS that will be sold to select race teams for some hefty coin.

Sherpa23 · Nov 18, 2017

Riki said:
it ´s the minium for the homologation, they can build as many as they can sell.

I do understand that. I just thought that the minimum requirement was higher than just 250 units a year.

Montfort · Nov 18, 2017

I believe when the 1199R came on the scene in 2013 the original total number of units was to be 1000 with 250 coming to the US and around 20 to Canada.
Still remember AntiHero's great review of this outstanding machine when they introduced it at COTA.

double0 · Nov 18, 2017

Panigale R was released in 2015. 1199R released in 2013. Technicalities....i know i know.

reganc · Nov 18, 2017

Montfort said:
I believe when the PanigaleR came on the scene in 2013 the total number of units was 1000 with 250 coming to the US and around 20 to Canada.
Still remember AntiHero's great review of this outstanding machine when they introduced it at COTA.

they built well in excess of 1000 units of the 2013R, it was one of it's most popular models.

Sherpa23 · Nov 18, 2017

reganc said:
they built well in excess of 1000 units of the 2013R, it was one of it's most popular models.

No doubt but I think we are still talking about the minimum requirements...

As I said, I thought it was 3k minimum and then for a short period of years in was reduced to 1k and now it's back to 3k. They can make 10k if they can sell them all.

gnance · Nov 18, 2017

So sherpa,

How much crazier a ride is your superleggera over the 1199 s?

reganc · Nov 18, 2017

Sherpa23 said:
No doubt but I think we are still talking about the minimum requirements...

As I said, I thought it was 3k minimum and then for a short period of years in was reduced to 1k and now it's back to 3k. They can make 10k if they can sell them all.

you can see the numbers required here

REPLI RACERS HOMOLOGATION SPECIALS - Australian Motorcycle News

Sherpa23 · Nov 18, 2017

gnance said:
So sherpa,

How much crazier a ride is your superleggera over the 1199 s?

I have never ridden an 1199S only a base 1199. It’s night and day from that. Yes the power difference is probably a factor but the weight and the feel of the Superleggera is worlds apart. It just feels special. Hell, even if I throw a leg over it just to push it around the garage and never even turn the key it feels like something amazing. That much weight reduction on a beast like that is something that you feel with every twist of the throttle, every pull on the brake lever, and every time you point the bike to an apex. It’s night and day from the base 1199.

reganc said:
you can see the numbers required here

REPLI RACERS HOMOLOGATION SPECIALS - Australian Motorcycle News

Thank you for that. Awesome article and very informative.

gnance · Nov 20, 2017

Hard part is this year the initial release is already a larger displacement engine....something Ducati typically waits to do like in the 1198 and 1299. Makes the choice between waiting for an "r" or pulling the trigger now more difficult. Hmmmmm....larger engine displacement or higher revs and under 1000cc......choices choices

Riki · Nov 21, 2017

As for the revolutions I'm not quite sure, the rules wsbk in 2018 the rev. limit for 4 cyl is 14,700 rpm., kawasaki 14,100 rpm, ducati imagine that it will follow the path of kawasaki to equal performance.

BTrain5489 · Nov 21, 2017

Riki said:
As for the revolutions I'm not quite sure, the rules wsbk in 2018 the rev. limit for 4 cyl is 14,700 rpm., kawasaki 14,100 rpm, ducati imagine that it will follow the path of kawasaki to equal performance.

The initial rev limit will be the dynamometer measured rev limit of 3rd & 4th gear averaged, plus 3% or 1100rpm above the dyno measured max horsepower rpm of a production machine. Whichever is lower.

The rev limits are set per manufacturer and start as function of the homologation bike's rev limit/power output.

Seems to me that it's going to be an incentive to close the gap between homologation bike and race bike which is awesome for everyone waiting on the R.

mark419ny · Nov 21, 2017

The Avidmoto said:
Imagine the special edition(s) when Ducati win the MotoGP championship!

imagine marquez losing in the near future

mark419ny · Nov 21, 2017

Mutt1979 said:
Okay, so there's not much between an S adding parts and essentially creating a Speciale....... but don't forget the 'optional' magnesium wheels! What they're actually saying is it should be a £39k bike.

This really concerns me, especially with the R to follow. What this has proven is Ducati are more than prepared to offer the R at £35k then £5k race kit/exhaust, £3.5k magnesium wheels and a £1.5k carbon package. I don't see how else they can make this bike and stay within the WSBK price cap.

you guys do know magnesium wheels have a shelf life right. id go carbon wheels or forged aluminum ones like double 0 OZ rsa wheels

Nitrouz · Nov 21, 2017

jarelj said:
$5300 usd

Ducati performance accessories in canada just got loaded into the dealer systems today. Full exhaust here is $5690 Cdn retail. Cheaper than the states when taking into the conversion rate. Better than expected!

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adrian7 · Nov 21, 2017

Nitrouz said:
Ducati performance accessories in canada just got loaded into the dealer systems today. Full exhaust here is $5690 Cdn retail. Cheaper than the states when taking into the conversion rate. Better than expected!

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That is not just cheaper, that is suspiciously cheap. Positive it's not the slip on?
If it does turn out to be true - nice for you guys!

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