Ebc...

Stw · Jun 7, 2013

I know this is a dumb question...But I am not sure I really understand the use/function of this option... I understand engine braking...but I have never had the ability to adjust it.. and having changed the settings I must say I don't notice any difference...So.... Am I missing something here???

mark419ny · Jun 7, 2013

2nd that question

Trauma · Jun 7, 2013

You will only notice it when doing agressive downshifting, typically at a maximum lean angle in a turn. It is an electronically adjustable slipper clutch, if you understand what that is:

The engine braking control system (EBC) works in combination with the slipper clutch to prevent and manage any blockage of the rear wheel when aggressively shifting down. If the system detects any slipping of the wheel, it sends a signal to the control device of the engine, which then slightly increases the rpms until the rear wheel resumes a speed conforming to that of the vehicle.

Capt CF · Jun 7, 2013

If you change it from 1 to 3 and back again you will notice the difference when you are at speed and you roll off the throttle.

Phl · Jun 7, 2013

let's say you shift from 4th into second, let the clutch go, this is what happens:

the engines' brake torque (no load on throttle) will decelerate your motorcycle.

depending on the level you set in the controls, it will do it with more (EBC OFF) or less torque (EBC 3)

the first time i tried EBC3, it kinda felt like a two stroke, just kept going.

i am more the OFF/1 type of EBC'er

Hugepiece · Jun 7, 2013

i recently messed with this, changed mine from 1 to 2 and found the bike a lot more confortable in traffic whole constntly rolling on and off of the throttle, it decreased the engine braking effect and knock-on pressure on the upper body.

Stw · Jun 7, 2013

Ok.. So that I am clear.... 0 is max engine braking and 3 is minimum... Right??

ScrapperX · Jun 7, 2013

Stw said:
Ok.. So that I am clear.... 0 is max engine braking and 3 is minimum... Right??

That's correct and also the higher gear you are in the less engine braking you will have.

Capt CF · Jun 7, 2013

Hugepiece said:
i recently messed with this, changed mine from 1 to 2 and found the bike a lot more confortable in traffic whole constntly rolling on and off of the throttle, it decreased the engine braking effect and knock-on pressure on the upper body.

That's why I was playing with it too, but then I left it on when I got to my exit and could have used the extra engine braking in that right hand sweeper so now I leave it on the default level that I am used to.

Jariva · Jun 7, 2013

Stw said:
Ok.. So that I am clear.... 0 is max engine braking and 3 is minimum... Right??

Correct.

OFF Maximum engine brake

1 Quite important engine brake, but less than that obtained
with EBC OFF. It is the default level for all Riding Modes

2 Very low engine brake, recommended only for track use
and for riders requiring a low engine brake when
decelerating

3 Minimum engine brake, recommended only for track use
and for riders preferring a very low engine brake when
decelerating

Stw · Jun 7, 2013

ScrapperX said:
That's correct and also the higher gear you are in the less engine braking you will have.

Ok.. well let me expand on why I asked the question...I was riding last weekend ..somewhat aggressively

.. and came towards a bend and shifted down ..hard.. back end went all squirmy and wagging (briefly) ..Just like previous bikes I have had sans slipper clutch.. and I thought..Hmmm ...didn't think it was supposed to do that??? So... is this my ignorance in being in the wrong Ebc setting??

Jariva · Jun 7, 2013

Stw said:
Ok.. well let me expand on why I asked the question...I was riding last weekend ..somewhat aggressively.. and came towards a bend and shifted down ..hard.. back end went all squirmy and wagging (briefly) ..Just like previous bikes I have had sans slipper clutch.. and I thought..Hmmm ...didn't think it was supposed to do that??? So... is this my ignorance in being in the wrong Ebc setting??

Have had that few times. What was your EBC setting when that happened?

rm4two · Jun 7, 2013

My understanding is that EBC effectively removes the need to blip the throttle on down shifts, at least on the street.

Stw · Jun 7, 2013

Jariva said:
Have had that few times. What was your EBC setting when that happened?

In truth..I don't recall... sorry...

flobrandx · Jun 7, 2013

Isn't this also a feature because this is a twin which will have a lot of engine braking due to the compression in a twin during down shifts which does not occur as much in an I-4 configuration. So, when on a track and you want to carry more speed into the corner without interference so you adjust it to minimize the engine braking. Right? Maybe I'm way off here...

Trauma · Jun 7, 2013

rm4two said:
My understanding is that EBC effectively removes the need to blip the throttle on down shifts, at least on the street.

It has nothing to do with that. It only softens the rapid de-accellaration of letting the clutch out when the RPMs are lower then the tire speed. It is intended for hard turning and a quick downshift, not requiring you to slowly let the clutch out to prevent the tire from breaking grip.

Trauma · Jun 7, 2013

flobrandx said:
Isn't this also a feature because this is a twin which will have a lot of engine braking due to the compression in a twin during down shifts which does not occur as much in an I-4 configuration. So, when on a track and you want to carry more speed into the corner without interference so you adjust it to minimize the engine braking. Right? Maybe I'm way off here...

It helps more with a higher compression, but the ZX10 and others have it as well. There is even an aftermarket for my K1300S!

Capt CF · Jun 7, 2013

I didn't even realize how much I use engine braking in my regular riding until I played with turning it down/off. I felt like I couldn't stop!

rm4two · Jun 7, 2013

Trauma said:
....It only softens the rapid de-accellaration of letting the clutch out when the RPMs are lower then the tire speed. ....

Please correct me if i'm wrong but isn't this the intended action of a throttle blip? I.e. matching engine RPM to wheels speed while down shifting to avoid loss of tracking from the rear wheel?

mark419ny · Jun 7, 2013

i leave mine in 1 never changed it. should I?

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