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I haven't hit the track yet, but I ride quite hard through highway twisties. I prefer EBC 3. For me, it does feel smoother when downshifting into corners.
 
rm4two said:
My understanding is that EBC effectively removes the need to blip the throttle on down shifts, at least on the street.
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Wrong:(
Ebc has no effect or influence on downshift techniques.
 
flobrandx said:
Isn't this also a feature because this is a twin which will have a lot of engine braking due to the compression in a twin during down shifts which does not occur as much in an I-4 configuration. So, when on a track and you want to carry more speed into the corner without interference so you adjust it to minimize the engine braking. Right? Maybe I'm way off here...
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No you are not way off, and are pretty much correct in your analysis.
 
Capt CF said:
I didn't even realize how much I use engine braking in my regular riding until I played with turning it down/off. I felt like I couldn't stop! :)
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That's what it feels like when you go from a twin to a 4 banger.
You need to use the brakes more to compensate for a lack of engine braking.
 
Trauma said:
When you blip, it helps wear on the gears, the second you un-blip because you are breaking, or just want to go slower, is when the EBC kicks in.
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Whether you blip or not the EBC is operating regardless.
 
AntiHero said:
On the track EBC set to 3 is a must. When you're on the limit of adhesion engine braking can really upset your chassis and overload the front tire, which either pushes you wide or causes a lowside. On the street it's not as critical.

However, I'm of the opinion that engine makes you go, brakes make you stop. If I want to slow down I'll use the front or rear brake, not depend on the engine. Not sure exactly what the wear and tear on the engine is when you use it to decelerate, but being that it's doing work, there is some. And last time I checked brake pads were far cheaper than engine parts.

As for the slipper clutch--works great when you're straight up and down. But I've found that even when leaned over slightly the back end likes to slide. It's kind of fun, but on the track (or even during aggressive street riding), I always blip when downshifting.
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Agreed:)
 
Raistlin77 said:
The ebc is one of the reasons I bought my pany. Cranked it to three as soon as I picked it up. I always find my previous ducs had too much engine braking, but I am loving it now:D
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I find that with EBC on 3, it's similar to my 1098 SFS in terms of engine braking.
If it's off or set on 1 or 2 there's too much engine braking for my liking.
 
rm4two said:
Sorry guys but I'm still having a hard time disassociating the intended purpose/benefits of a throttle blip on down-shifts with intended actions/benefits of EBC when down shifting? Prior to EBC and slipper-clutches when riding aggressively and down shifting if you didn't throttle blip the rear tire would break traction, chatter and skip across the surface. Therefore, you blipped the throttle in an attempt to match engine RPMs with rear wheel speed to eliminate or reduce the problem. EBC in conjunction with the slipper-clutch by Ducati's definition, (""¦ works to prevent and manage any blockage of the rear wheel when aggressively shifting down. If the system detects any slipping of the wheel, it sends a signal to the control device of the engine, which then slightly increases the rpms until the rear wheel resumes a speed conforming to that of the vehicle") IMO are the same? So with EBC I don't have to throttle blip if I don't want to because the bike will match RPMs with rear wheel speed for me. Now I can concentrate solely on hitting my brake markers and turn in points. What am I missing?
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IMO your approach is tending to er on the lazy side with the reliance on the slipper and EBC to do the work for you.
The technology is potentially compensating for a lack of technique.

With your current approach you are relying on the technology to compensate for your technique in a delayed manner to help maintain stability.
If you blipped for the downshift, you are effectively being more proactive and directly involved in the process of maintaining stability.

Also your reliance on the technology can't completely compensate for the implications of whats happening from a mechanical standpoint inside the transmission and the drivetrain.
In summary if you don't blip, you are being harder on the internal mechanical gears and related external drivetrain components, and blipping is easier on the machine.
 
Whoopazz said:
Yeah ebc 3 it was right off the bat. I'm surprised that it didn't come standard like that in race mode since everyone is mentioning its more for the track.
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You are always able to customize the settings anyway:)
 
Its funny how something that should be definitive isn't....
 
Brad said:
IMO your approach is tending to er on the lazy side with the reliance on the slipper and EBC to do the work for you.
The technology is potentially compensating for a lack of technique.

With your current approach you are relying on the technology to compensate for your technique in a delayed manner to help maintain stability.
If you blipped for the downshift, you are effectively being more proactive and directly involved in the process of maintaining stability.

Also your reliance on the technology can't completely compensate for the implications of whats happening from a mechanical standpoint inside the transmission and the drivetrain.
In summary if you don't blip, you are being harder on the internal mechanical gears and related external drivetrain components, and blipping is easier on the machine.
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I appreciate your explanation. I was just about to ask you to elaborate.
 
Brad said:
IMO your approach is tending to er on the lazy side with the reliance on the slipper and EBC to do the work for you.
The technology is potentially compensating for a lack of technique.

With your current approach you are relying on the technology to compensate for your technique in a delayed manner to help maintain stability.
If you blipped for the downshift, you are effectively being more proactive and directly involved in the process of maintaining stability.

Also your reliance on the technology can't completely compensate for the implications of whats happening from a mechanical standpoint inside the transmission and the drivetrain.
In summary if you don't blip, you are being harder on the internal mechanical gears and related external drivetrain components, and blipping is easier on the machine.
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Could this not be said of all "Tech" stuff though??? I mean in essence something like Abs could be said to be compensating for poor braking technique...No??
 
Stw said:
Could this not be said of all "Tech" stuff though??? I mean in essence something like Abs could be said to be compensating for poor braking technique...No??
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Yes, but how many riders are actually taught to control the brakes through the pulsing technique in an emergency stop situation???
The pulsing technique will always enable one to actually stop in a shorter distance than relying on any ABS system.

Then on the other hand the ABS has the ability to allow the rider to steer around a potential collision as a viable option to an emergency stop, whilst maintaining full directional control and rapidly decrease speed. But how many riders or car drivers are taught fully take advantage of ABS in that event???????
 
rm4two said:
Well here's another silly question. Doesn't "off" mean full engine braking were setting 3 is virtually no engine braking? I haven't tried the off position so i truly don't know.
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Just start experimenting with it a bit at different speeds and situations, and see how you go:)

That's what i did in the first month or so during the initial run in period.
I've had mine set at 3 for the last 11 months and it i like it the best.
 
Brad said:
Yes, but how many riders are actually taught to control the brakes through the pulsing technique in an emergency stop situation???
The pulsing technique will always enable one to actually stop in a shorter distance than relying on any ABS system.

Then on the other hand the ABS has the ability to allow the rider to steer around a potential collision as a viable option to an emergency stop, whilst maintaining full directional control and rapidly decrease speed. But how many riders or car drivers are taught fully take advantage of ABS in that event???????
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Well probably none... But you mentioned Ebc in the same vain previously..i.e. Tech being there to mask/make up for "poor" technique... This I don't dispute one iota..but If we have it shouldn't we use it to its full extent and be "lazy"?.. if we so choose that is...:)
 
Stw said:
Well probably none... But you mentioned Ebc in the same vain previously..i.e. Tech being there to mask/make up for "poor" technique... This I don't dispute one iota..but If we have it shouldn't we use it to its full extent and be "lazy"?.. if we so choose that is...:)
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That may be your choice, and i think it's totally valid.
However, i have 2 other bikes that if i forget that i'm not on the 1199 whilst riding them. It may very well end up hurting me one way or another.

So i will always maintain the old ways for the sake of self preservation:)
And i'm a purist at heart;)
That's why i run my machines in, in the traditional way:D
 
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Brad said:
That may be your choice, and i think it's totally valid.
However, i have 2 other bikes that if i forget that i'm not on the 1199 whilst riding them. It may very well end up hurting me one way or another.

So i will always manintain the old ways for the sake of self preservation:)
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Lucky you...:D This is it for me...
 

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