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Please correct me if i'm wrong but isn't this the intended action of a throttle blip? I.e. matching engine RPM to wheels speed while braking to avoid loss of tracking from the rear wheel? :confused:

Correct. I always blip the throttle when riding including the Pani. There is nothing about the bike or its technology that I have found that eliminates the need to blip the throttle.
 
Please correct me if i'm wrong but isn't this the intended action of a throttle blip? I.e. matching engine RPM to wheels speed while braking to avoid loss of tracking from the rear wheel? :confused:

When you blip, it helps wear on the gears, the second you un-blip because you are breaking, or just want to go slower, is when the EBC kicks in.
 
There are essentially two schools of riding, especially when it comes to cornering. There is what is often called western, or American type riding, which involves sliding (or backing in) to turns, and there is European riding which is typically smoother. If you watch MotoGP you can see examples of both. Guys like Marquez, Pol Espargaro, Stoner, and Hayden are very good at backing the bike into turns, they do it quite often. Guys like Rossi, Lorenzo and Crutchlow tend to opt for the smoother approach of matching the rear wheel speed and keeping it inline.

When you come into a corner, slam on the brakes, drop a few gears, and let the clutch out, the rear wheel will tend to slow down faster than the bike, which can cause it to brake free and move sideways. The slipper clutch works to reduce this engine braking effect on the rear wheel, and the EBC works with the slipper clutch by providing more RPM from the engine to catch the rear wheel up to actual speed.

I noticed that it was mentioned that EBC is typically in use at maximum lean when you are dropping gears and I want to make sure people know that this is NOT the case AT ALL. You should never have to drop down gears at maximum lean, in the middle of a corner, professionals NEVER do this! You should be in the correct gear for the corner before you start leaning the bike! At maximum lean you should be coming off the brake lever and starting to roll onto the throttle as you come through the apex.

EBC is a matter of choice. If you like backing it in, you won't like EBC very much. If you like things to stay smooth and inline, use the crap out of that EBC and slipper. ;)
 
There are essentially two schools of riding, especially when it comes to cornering. There is what is often called western, or American type riding, which involves sliding (or backing in) to turns, and there is European riding which is typically smoother. If you watch MotoGP you can see examples of both. Guys like Marquez, Pol Espargaro, Stoner, and Hayden are very good at backing the bike into turns, they do it quite often. Guys like Rossi, Lorenzo and Crutchlow tend to opt for the smoother approach of matching the rear wheel speed and keeping it inline.

When you come into a corner, slam on the brakes, drop a few gears, and let the clutch out, the rear wheel will tend to slow down faster than the bike, which can cause it to brake free and move sideways. The slipper clutch works to reduce this engine braking effect on the rear wheel, and the EBC works with the slipper clutch by providing more RPM from the engine to catch the rear wheel up to actual speed.

I noticed that it was mentioned that EBC is typically in use at maximum lean when you are dropping gears and I want to make sure people know that this is NOT the case AT ALL. You should never have to drop down gears at maximum lean, in the middle of a corner, professionals NEVER do this! You should be in the correct gear for the corner before you start leaning the bike! At maximum lean you should be coming off the brake lever and starting to roll onto the throttle as you come through the apex.

EBC is a matter of choice. If you like backing it in, you won't like EBC very much. If you like things to stay smooth and inline, use the crap out of that EBC and slipper. ;)

Thanks for the US vs Euro style explanation Mac!

I agree that you need to be in the correct gear before leaning in as this would upset the chassis and take away from the traction that is needed for cornering and as you hit the apex and start bringing on the throttle the bike will stand up to transition from traction needed for corning to acceleration.
 
Ok.. well let me expand on why I asked the question...I was riding last weekend ..somewhat aggressively:p.. and came towards a bend and shifted down ..hard.. back end went all squirmy and wagging (briefly) ..Just like previous bikes I have had sans slipper clutch.. and I thought..Hmmm ...didn't think it was supposed to do that??? So... is this my ignorance in being in the wrong Ebc setting??

Even though we have a slipper clutch you still need to blip the throttle while down shifting at really high revs to match the engine speed. The slipper clutch wont allow the rear wheel to lock up or blow your engine at high rev while down shifting but the rear wheel will slow down tremendously and can get squirly. Here is a good article to read.

http://www.trackdaymag.com/thementalaspect/283-throttle-blipping-for-downshifts.html
 
On the track EBC set to 3 is a must. When you're on the limit of adhesion engine braking can really upset your chassis and overload the front tire, which either pushes you wide or causes a lowside. On the street it's not as critical.

However, I'm of the opinion that engine makes you go, brakes make you stop. If I want to slow down I'll use the front or rear brake, not depend on the engine. Not sure exactly what the wear and tear on the engine is when you use it to decelerate, but being that it's doing work, there is some. And last time I checked brake pads were far cheaper than engine parts.

As for the slipper clutch--works great when you're straight up and down. But I've found that even when leaned over slightly the back end likes to slide. It's kind of fun, but on the track (or even during aggressive street riding), I always blip when downshifting.
 
On the track EBC set to 3 is a must. When you're on the limit of adhesion engine braking can really upset your chassis and overload the front tire, which either pushes you wide or causes a lowside. On the street it's not as critical.

However, I'm of the opinion that engine makes you go, brakes make you stop. If I want to slow down I'll use the front or rear brake, not depend on the engine. Not sure exactly what the wear and tear on the engine is when you use it to decelerate, but being that it's doing work, there is some. And last time I checked brake pads were far cheaper than engine parts.

As for the slipper clutch--works great when you're straight up and down. But I've found that even when leaned over slightly the back end likes to slide. It's kind of fun, but on the track (or even during aggressive street riding), I always blip when downshifting.

Back in my dirt bike days I had a "anit-slipper" clutch. But we called it a compression release! :)
 
let's say you shift from 4th into second, let the clutch go, this is what happens:

the engines' brake torque (no load on throttle) will decelerate your motorcycle.

depending on the level you set in the controls, it will do it with more (EBC OFF) or less torque (EBC 3)

the first time i tried EBC3, it kinda felt like a two stroke, just kept going.

i am more the OFF/1 type of EBC'er

+1...let that ass wiggle :)
 
EBC is the shizzle. Level 3, please!

Lower engine braking allows me to be smoother with all my other inputs and tends to reduce chassis upset on corner entry. It also reduces driveline snatch as I move from off throttle to neutral throttle on entry...as it's not far from neutral throttle to begin with.

I didn't realize how effective EBC is until I rode behind Zaster a couple of weekends ago at a pace. As we set up for entries I had to use brakes where I normally wouldn't have in order to avoid running into him...he has EBC set at level 0. I'm 100% certain that my midcorner speeds are higher with EBC than without.

YMMV.

Nothing says "I love you" like a two-stroke on the pipe. EBC is a close second.
 
I guess I just need to try Ebc 3 and ride like I know what I am doing...:p
 
The ebc is one of the reasons I bought my pany. Cranked it to three as soon as I picked it up. I always find my previous ducs had too much engine braking, but I am loving it now:D
 
Sorry guys but I’m still having a hard time disassociating the intended purpose/benefits of a throttle blip on down-shifts with intended actions/benefits of EBC when down shifting? Prior to EBC and slipper-clutches when riding aggressively and down shifting if you didn’t throttle blip the rear tire would break traction, chatter and skip across the surface. Therefore, you blipped the throttle in an attempt to match engine RPMs with rear wheel speed to eliminate or reduce the problem. EBC in conjunction with the slipper-clutch by Ducati’s definition, (“… works to prevent and manage any blockage of the rear wheel when aggressively shifting down. If the system detects any slipping of the wheel, it sends a signal to the control device of the engine, which then slightly increases the rpms until the rear wheel resumes a speed conforming to that of the vehicle”) IMO are the same? So with EBC I don’t have to throttle blip if I don’t want to because the bike will match RPMs with rear wheel speed for me. Now I can concentrate solely on hitting my brake markers and turn in points. What am I missing?
 
on another note of the slipper clutch. Does one setting cause more wear to the clutch itself or the plates??

I like the lesser engine braking in town as the bike feels less "jerky" at low speeds.
so i have been using level 3.

is this going to wear the bike down more by using the "slipper" clutch more??
 
on another note of the slipper clutch. Does one setting cause more wear to the clutch itself or the plates??

I like the lesser engine braking in town as the bike feels less "jerky" at low speeds.
so i have been using level 3.

is this going to wear the bike down more by using the "slipper" clutch more??

It is all electronic, so no.
 
Yeah ebc 3 it was right off the bat. I'm surprised that it didn't come standard like that in race mode since everyone is mentioning its more for the track.
 
I use EBC 2 or 3 depending on what track I'm riding at. Its one of the best things about this bike IMHO. I can quickly dial in how much I want/need without having to reflash or anything like that.

With the higher settings I can let the bike roll through corners and keep the corner speed higher. It also helps tame the rear end under heavy braking but I'm less worried about that. Smoother faster corners is where its at for me.
 

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