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I first noticed these clip-ons when playing with the configurator for the new V2, which stock comes with bars that have a riser. These are a $750 option and appear to be CNC from one piece of metal, which explains the cost. I suppose they'd be lighter.
 
Yes seems like way to factory for a civilian race clip on. I think the spider bars are like $90 for a pair…
 
Yes seems like way to factory for a civilian race clip on. I think the spider bars are like $90 for a pair…

My thoughts too, this a gucci addon for the starbucks n' stickers crowd at 750 a crash! Most clubbies are at the woodcraft end of the scale and you'd be surprised at the amount of chinesium pegs, levers, fairings etc out there! Still think its going to be a great bike and a very good powerplant which we will see in a few models
 
I am not sure that teams will be rafting these - the 955 is homologated for the next few years
 
My thoughts too, this a gucci addon for the starbucks n' stickers crowd at 750 a crash! Most clubbies are at the woodcraft end of the scale and you'd be surprised at the amount of chinesium pegs, levers, fairings etc out there! Still think its going to be a great bike and a very good powerplant which we will see in a few models

I actually think Woodcraft makes the best clipons period, regardless of price point.
 
Super cool post Karl, thanks for doing it.

With regard to the new KTM it looks really sexy, but unless you want a watered down version of the RC 8C or Kramer GP2 890RR I was told by Kramer to steer clear if it…it weighs like 80 pounds more than the RC 8C and has a few less horse power and lower spec suspension parts etc.

And will likely cost close to what you can find a VERY low mileage real RC 8C for.

The RC 8C was the halo bike produced to prep the masses for a watered down street homages version. That you can convert back to a track only street homologated bike.

I think I’d take my RC 8C over any bike on the market right now in a middleweight bike…but between that 890R and the new V2 I think the Ducati is the one I’d go with. If I didn’t have an RC 8C which is still a better bike than the new V2 I’d get the new V2.
 
Kramer Joe or Jenson told you that that the Kramer is better thats shocking...
Look I love what Kramer is doing but they're not an OEM level operation, they finesse KTM packages into trackday / race bikes which until now KTM did not participate in in road racing. The new KTM is a better package due to the resources that were put into it, because it's a ground up design not a riff of a riff which is what your bike is.
 
Kramer Joe or Jenson told you that that the Kramer is better thats shocking...
Look I love what Kramer is doing but they're not an OEM level operation, they finesse KTM packages into trackday / race bikes which until now KTM did not participate in in road racing. The new KTM is a better package due to the resources that were put into it, because it's a ground up design not a riff of a riff which is what your bike is.

You are 100% inaccurate there. Suprising because that’s not normally so with you.

The Kramer, and the RC 8C that Kramer built for KTM in their OEM factory absolutely have OEM quality.

But the main thing you are wrong about is saying that they finesse KTM packages into track bikes. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. They use a KTM engine, nothing else, and do a ground up design build of a track bike, and then build it in their own factory. It’s nearly 100% a Kramer design build from the ground up.

What you are saying would be like saying the new Bimoto is a Kawasaki ‘finessed’ into a track package. No, it’s not, it’s a ground up new design and build using a Kawasaki engine.

The new KTM 890R is what you are describing, it’s a street bike that’s being finessed into a track bike and then built in China, using a lot of the technology and bits from their street bike parts bin.

And i can tell you this from personal experience, Kramer is 180 degree difference to deal with in supporting their bikes than KTM, who provide less than zero support on their track bikes including simple maintenance.

Whether you agree with those facts or not, the math of the 890R is what it is. The bike is 80 pounds heavier, has 10 less horsepower, has a standard street gas tank and frame homologation, and lower end parts bin suspension and braking components than the Kramer built bikes, and instead of contracting out the build of the bike to an extremely well equipped Austrian factory (Kramer) they contracted out the manufacturing of the bike to China, because it’s a profit making bike for the masses not a HALO bike with KTM’s best foot forward.

Also Joe didn’t hate on the bike, he simply said i would be disappointed after having the bike i have, because the new KTM 80 to 100 pounds heavier with less horsepower and lower end components for about the same price as the one i have.

The bike is a step backwards, and is intended to be, because it’s a street bike for the masses that can be finessed to ‘work’ on track.
 
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I always liked Kramer and I'm sure I'd had a bike from them already, if it wouldn't be the ktm platform.
And I'm sure there are many people who think this way.
Anyway, I'm getting a new V2 for sure as my new go to track bike.
Price point and maintenance speaks for it. And it's not as overwhelming as a v4 is for me right now.
Unfortunately, it will take at least another half year until parts are available. Looks like major supersport teams will continue on the current platform for ar least another season as well.
I may get the v2 in spring to fiddle around with it on the street for a bit.
 
The new KTM is a better package due to the resources that were put into it, because it's a ground up design not a riff of a riff which is what your bike is.
Errr not so sure about this. The LC8 engine is old (2006) and used in a bunch of different machines. If you watch the development videos on the 990 RC R, it's heavy on the Kiska design process and light on the technical/engineering innovations and improvements. Again, this is another marketing exercise. KTM is taking a page from Ducati in this respect.
 
If I was just getting into Ducati world, and looking for a track build platform, the new V2 would be top of the list. The new 25 models, V4 and V2 are equally impressive but for different reasons, but as a base for a relatively inexpensive (comparatively) track build, the 25 V2 would be my pick over the KTM.
 
Errr not so sure about this. The LC8 engine is old (2006) and used in a bunch of different machines. If you watch the development videos on the 990 RC R, it's heavy on the Kiska design process and light on the technical/engineering innovations and improvements. Again, this is another marketing exercise. KTM is taking a page from Ducati in this respect.
10-4 mate its trash
Ducati marketing rinsing us all, KTM is onto it now, what have they ever done anyway
you are fireblade god yet still have to chime in on here everyday
 
10-4 mate its trash
Ducati marketing rinsing us all, KTM is onto it now, what have they ever done anyway
you are fireblade god yet still have to chime in on here everyday
Nah dog. Never said it’s trash. Talk about hyperbole. But yeah Ducati marketing is rinsing you and the Ducatisti. And KTM has picked up this. Take the rosso tinted glasses for a moment and keep and open mind. Try not to be so biased and more pragmatic. Stop being such a tifosi
 
I always liked Kramer and I'm sure I'd had a bike from them already, if it wouldn't be the ktm platform.
And I'm sure there are many people who think this way.
Anyway, I'm getting a new V2 for sure as my new go to track bike.
Price point and maintenance speaks for it. And it's not as overwhelming as a v4 is for me right now.
Unfortunately, it will take at least another half year until parts are available. Looks like major supersport teams will continue on the current platform for ar least another season as well.
I may get the v2 in spring to fiddle around with it on the street for a bit.


Ducati absolutely went in the right direction with the V2….if I didn’t have and know the RC 8C capabilities I would have never thought that lighter and less power would be the way to go..,but it is.

In a middle weight bike less power, less weight, with a really good chassi, is MORE track capable.

Without having ridden one at least on paper I love what Ducati did with the V2.

The fastest guys I know run 2 seconds faster on their RC 8C than they do on their best liter bikes at Streets of Willow, and only 1.5 to 2 seconds slower at Chuck than on their liter bikes. So it’s an incredibly fast bike despite 100 less horsepower…the V2 seems to be going in that RC 8C direction.

I think it will be a very accessible track weapon.
 

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