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Just got back from the dealers after having the first service done.

I had a good conversation with the chief technician about the smoke issue that seems to be in the front of most peoples minds. I was told the reason for the smoke was a combination of factors. Firstly the piston rings seating not seating properly, which apparently takes up to around the time of the first service, and secondly related to the lack of pressure within the crank case (unlike regular bikes). Apparently the pressure isn't there when the bike is on idle or low revs which is when the smoke can appear. When the piston rings dont seat a tiny amount of oil can escape and cause the smoke. I'm about as far from technical as you can get on this sort of thing, so im just reporting what i was told.

There have been some issues with people running full systems and connections along the pipes not sealing correctly, which has caused smoke to appear to come from the fairings rather than the exhaust tips, but this is not the same issue.

I can also confirm that my bike had hardly used any oil during its first 650 miles, which is some comfort.

Two other items worth reporting.

Bad News - My dealers were unable to turn off the service light when they ran the diagnostics. Which means I've got the large red graphic appearing when i start up which then fades into a service icon once the engine is running. Apparently there is a new software pack due which will solve this problem.

Good News - The rev limit is raised to much higher than other people have been claiming, once the first service is complete. Mine is now raised to 10,500rpm and the amber lights have moved up the rev counter in line with that number. I was told that after 1000 miles this will rise again to the full rev range. So the horror stories about a 2500 mile run in period have been over exaggerated.

Hope the info is useful

J
 

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Good info. Thanks.

At what point is the next recommended service?

Most guys Won't own their bikes long enough to do the second service (the bike won't be alive rather) lol.

Either way I beleive the next service interval is 12000 or 15000 MILES :)....tho I'd strongly recommend not only checking your oil level every 600 miles, but also do your own oil/filter change every 3000-6000 miles anyway depending on riding style/conditions.

If you on the track offer, oil/filter change every track weekend would be healthy ...$$$ ;-)
 
Btw Jay, you didn't mention whether or not your bike actually stopped smoking after initial service. Good info too man, thanks
 
Thanks Jay Kay! - I figured as more people get miles on, the scenarios reported would be exaggerated or worst case scenario. It also sounds like the stories from the mechanics are consistant. They are all telling the same lie :D

Give us a review now that you have more RPM's;)
 
Btw Jay, you didn't mention whether or not your bike actually stopped smoking after initial service. Good info too man, thanks

I didnt see any when i left the dealers but the bike had already been running in the workshop area out of sight. I'll keep you up to date on if its still an issue or getting better over time. My bike and one other were in for service today. They were the first to come through there. The other one had not seen any smoke and was only a week old with 650 miles on it. He was running the same exhaust. Problem is you are relying on owners as observant as yourself. Some people will jump straight on from cold fire up and ride away. Not knowing whats blowing out behind them. I let my bike run up to temp first so im stood there looking at the pipes which makes smoke hard to miss.
 
Thanks Jay Kay! - I figured as more people get miles on, the scenarios reported would be exaggerated or worst case scenario. It also sounds like the stories from the mechanics are consistant. They are all telling the same lie :D

Give us a review now that you have more RPM's;)

I rode away from the dealers in a hailstorm (no joke) April in the UK. After about 30 mins i was clear and into dry roads again, but feeling a bit worse for wear. Nothing like a set of wet leathers....

Anyway I put it up to around 10k in 4th ;-) Errrmmm all i can say is it pulls like a train and what youve felt under 7k is only a hint of what that bike can do. Feels really smooth too. The weather wasnt playing ball today but once i get out for a proper run I'll give a full road report.
 
I rode away from the dealers in a hailstorm (no joke) April in the UK. After about 30 mins i was clear and into dry roads again, but feeling a bit worse for wear. Nothing like a set of wet leathers....

Anyway I put it up to around 10k in 4th ;-) Errrmmm all i can say is it pulls like a train and what youve felt under 7k is only a hint of what that bike can do. Feels really smooth too. The weather wasnt playing ball today but once i get out for a proper run I'll give a full road report.

Awesome! I can't wait!
 
thanks JayKay, my service is not until the 30th and I am really looking forward to those extra revs keeping it below 6 is killing me a Audi TT out accelatated me today, I pinned it and there was nothing there
:mad:
 
thanks JayKay, my service is not until the 30th and I am really looking forward to those extra revs keeping it below 6 is killing me a Audi TT out accelatated me today, I pinned it and there was nothing there
:mad:

It will go past 6k if needed :D
 
Just got back from the dealers after having the first service done.

I had a good conversation with the chief technician about the smoke issue that seems to be in the front of most peoples minds. I was told the reason for the smoke was a combination of factors. Firstly the piston rings seating not seating properly, which apparently takes up to around the time of the first service, and secondly related to the lack of pressure within the crank case (unlike regular bikes). Apparently the pressure isn't there when the bike is on idle or low revs which is when the smoke can appear. When the piston rings dont seat a tiny amount of oil can escape and cause the smoke. I'm about as far from technical as you can get on this sort of thing, so im just reporting what i was told.

There have been some issues with people running full systems and connections along the pipes not sealing correctly, which has caused smoke to appear to come from the fairings rather than the exhaust tips, but this is not the same issue.

I can also confirm that my bike had hardly used any oil during its first 650 miles, which is some comfort.

Two other items worth reporting.

Bad News - My dealers were unable to turn off the service light when they ran the diagnostics. Which means I've got the large red graphic appearing when i start up which then fades into a service icon once the engine is running. Apparently there is a new software pack due which will solve this problem.

Good News - The rev limit is raised to much higher than other people have been claiming, once the first service is complete. Mine is now raised to 10,500rpm and the amber lights have moved up the rev counter in line with that number. I was told that after 1000 miles this will rise again to the full rev range. So the horror stories about a 2500 mile run in period have been over exaggerated.

Hope the info is useful

J

I have never commented on the SMOKE issue -but
ive had a lot of race engines over 20 years now and always trying to achive
a vacume in the sump (usually with dry sump systems ) = less pressure under the piston on the way down=good, pressuse under the piston will allways give blow by

( lack of pressure in the crankcase ) the way i read that your tech is waiting for more crankcase pressure in the future.

i dont know if these engines run a vac pump but it would make sense why they blow smoke while new is
on start up crankcase vac has not pulled down inpressure, forcing oil passed ring which have not bed in yet
in time rings will bed in, problem goes away
? if some one know more tech on crank case pressure- what is used to relieve pressure
happy to be corrected !!

Jay kay thanks for your report.
 
I hope that I can not have that electronic nonsense hindering my my rev limit upon purchase. I know everyone here wants to follow Ducati's recomendation to keep the revs low, but theres no way I'm gonna wait 600 miles to be able to use this thing on a track...even if it is just warnings when you exceed 6k that will be so annoying to see that everytime I touch the throttle.

Does anyone have or can make a short vid to show what the readout looks like before first maintenance, and can anyone confirm whether the bike is limited electronically in RPM or is it just a silly warning light?
 
I hope that I can not have that electronic nonsense hindering my my rev limit upon purchase. I know everyone here wants to follow Ducati's recomendation to keep the revs low, but theres no way I'm gonna wait 600 miles to be able to use this thing on a track...even if it is just warnings when you exceed 6k that will be so annoying to see that everytime I touch the throttle.

Does anyone have or can make a short vid to show what the readout looks like before first maintenance, and can anyone confirm whether the bike is limited electronically in RPM or is it just a silly warning light?

dude if you actually read previous comments you would see that ppl who already have their bikes say that though theres a warning, you can rev the bike as much as you want

It would be dumb to take the bike on a track with the "break in oil" from the factory tho...at least do your own oil/filter change before you do track days

also, keep in mind that when you do take the bike in to dealer for innitial service whenever you decide (have to do this to clear the warning and rev line being orange after 6K) when the dealer syncs his program with your ECU he retreave all that info

Your max rpm, max speed, Total OD reading....then they have the right to refuse you warrantee work anytime ...

In the past i've been told (by my tech anyway) that he expects guys to exceed the rpm ofcourse, but not abuse it...exceeding the recomended maintenance intervals by reasonable amount is even doable...

food for thought, Italian/ high end manufactures/dealers dont mind turning down warrantee work ;-).

theres only so much Ducati is willing to cover, then its at the dealers discretion...and they'll turn you away quicker that it takes to call Ducati Italy and complain lol
 
I hope that I can not have that electronic nonsense hindering my my rev limit upon purchase. I know everyone here wants to follow Ducati's recomendation to keep the revs low, but theres no way I'm gonna wait 600 miles to be able to use this thing on a track...even if it is just warnings when you exceed 6k that will be so annoying to see that everytime I touch the throttle.

Does anyone have or can make a short vid to show what the readout looks like before first maintenance, and can anyone confirm whether the bike is limited electronically in RPM or is it just a silly warning light?

really? 600 miles is a weekend for me. I'll have my bike in for it's first service within a week of delivery.
 
really? 600 miles is a weekend for me. I'll have my bike in for it's first service within a week of delivery.

I'm with you Flynbulldog - 600 miles in a weekend is nothing - The Rocky Mountains is a great place to break in a bike :D
 
Fly... Nice take it you've taken delivery (sorry not paid much attention recently to see if you have?) if you have let us know how many times you had to refuel out of interest and kinda mileage you did get out of a tank. But please don't comment on how much it cost you because you would just be killing us in the UK we get super ripped off over here!
 
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