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That looks like the same or similar exhaust they are running in on some of the SSTK1000 bikes.
 
Is there any price for this yet? I knew about the exhaust before the UK distributor did so obviously they don't have a price yet.

No way to correct the fuelling either so far either. The o2 sensors can't be disabled so a piggy back fuelling module such as a power commander or rapid bike isn't going to work
 
750steve said:
Is there any price for this yet? I knew about the exhaust before the UK distributor did so obviously they don’t have a price yet.

No way to correct the fuelling either so far either. The o2 sensors can’t be disabled so a piggy back fuelling module such as a power commander or rapid bike isn’t going to work
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Piggy back systems like the rapidbike don't disable the O2 sensors, they just modulate the voltage the sensors are sending to the ECU. The ECU senses no tampering with those kinds of controllers, hence why your warranty is maintained when you use them.

I contacted Rapidbike and the only think keeping it from working on the V4 is they don't have a V4 and haven't developed a wiring harness for it. The module itself will work just fine once the harness is developed, however.

FM told me it would be available around September, but didn't provide an estimated price. I know someone who saw the system at WDW and they said it was louder and sounded better (lower pitched) than the Termi system.
 
MaverickiB said:
Piggy back systems like the rapidbike don't disable the O2 sensors, they just modulate the voltage the sensors are sending to the ECU. The ECU senses no tampering with those kinds of controllers, hence why your warranty is maintained when you use them.

I contacted Rapidbike and the only think keeping it from working on the V4 is they don't have a V4 and haven't developed a wiring harness for it. The module itself will work just fine once the harness is developed, however.

FM told me it would be available around September, but didn't provide an estimated price. I know someone who saw the system at WDW and they said it was louder and sounded better (lower pitched) than the Termi system.
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Thanks for the exhaust info, nice to know a sound comparrison too.

I had a RB on my 1199 & really liked it, less popular here in the UK but i would consider another unit.
When my bike was on the Dyno my tuner told me Dynojet were having 'difficulty' because of the o2 sensors, maybe i've picked it up wrongly?
 
750steve said:
Thanks for the exhaust info, nice to know a sound comparrison too.

I had a RB on my 1199 & really liked it, less popular here in the UK but i would consider another unit.
When my bike was on the Dyno my tuner told me Dynojet were having 'difficulty' because of the o2 sensors, maybe i've picked it up wrongly?
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As far as I know, Power Commanders have a hard time with O2 sensors because they either attempt to eliminate them or can only send a fixed voltage. Rapidbike modulates the voltage constantly so it gives you more control over fueling.

However, a friend told me he believes the V4 ECU is new and has a built-in feature designed to attempt to detect piggyback controllers. It supposedly detects tampering of O2 sensor voltage and slowly tunes out the changes the module is making. It's all hearsay right now, not a lot of info out, so it's a waiting game right now. Luckily, the FM exhaust won't be available for order until September and will probably take a few months after that to be delivered, so there's time for fueling solutions to be developed.
 
MaverickiB said:
As far as I know, Power Commanders have a hard time with O2 sensors because they either attempt to eliminate them or can only send a fixed voltage. Rapidbike modulates the voltage constantly so it gives you more control over fueling.

However, a friend told me he believes the V4 ECU is new and has a built-in feature designed to attempt to detect piggyback controllers. It supposedly detects tampering of O2 sensor voltage and slowly tunes out the changes the module is making. It's all hearsay right now, not a lot of info out, so it's a waiting game right now. Luckily, the FM exhaust won't be available for order until September and will probably take a few months after that to be delivered, so there's time for fueling solutions to be developed.
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... well Ducati is part of VW group... I'm sure management is quite leery of falling afoul of regs
 
MaverickiB said:
As far as I know, Power Commanders have a hard time with O2 sensors because they either attempt to eliminate them or can only send a fixed voltage. Rapidbike modulates the voltage constantly so it gives you more control over fueling.

However, a friend told me he believes the V4 ECU is new and has a built-in feature designed to attempt to detect piggyback controllers. It supposedly detects tampering of O2 sensor voltage and slowly tunes out the changes the module is making. It's all hearsay right now, not a lot of info out, so it's a waiting game right now. Luckily, the FM exhaust won't be available for order until September and will probably take a few months after that to be delivered, so there's time for fueling solutions to be developed.
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That's interesting, a 'self healing' ECU? Not looking to know names or positions but how well informed is your friend?

I've done some recent mailing to various flashing & piggyback companies & all say they have alot of work to do.

This FM 'Race' Exhaust is available, it is not mass produced & will be built to order when placed.

Are you all sitting down?....... Approx €4000 for a SS version & €6000 plus for a Titanium one. No fuelling support, no exhaust servo blank & NO WARRANTY from FM with even just the exhaust
 
750steve said:
That's interesting, a 'self healing' ECU? Not looking to know names or positions but how well informed is your friend?

I've done some recent mailing to various flashing & piggyback companies & all say they have alot of work to do.

This FM 'Race' Exhaust is available, it is not mass produced & will be built to order when placed.

Are you all sitting down?....... Approx €4000 for a SS version & €6000 plus for a Titanium one. No fuelling support, no exhaust servo blank & NO WARRANTY from FM with even just the exhaust
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do you know the price of the underbelly slip-ons? :confuso:
 
750steve said:
Are you all sitting down?....... Approx €4000 for a SS version & €6000 plus for a Titanium one. No fuelling support, no exhaust servo blank & NO WARRANTY from FM with even just the exhaust
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Wow. They're asking for more cash from their customers than Termi or Akrapovic? Unreal.

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750steve said:
That's interesting, a 'self healing' ECU? Not looking to know names or positions but how well informed is your friend?

I've done some recent mailing to various flashing & piggyback companies & all say they have alot of work to do.

This FM 'Race' Exhaust is available, it is not mass produced & will be built to order when placed.

Are you all sitting down?....... Approx €4000 for a SS version & €6000 plus for a Titanium one. No fuelling support, no exhaust servo blank & NO WARRANTY from FM with even just the exhaust
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Where did you get this information from?

I just contacted FM Racing yesterday. They are now selling the exhaust, made to order. It's a racing only exhaust, they have no interest in selling it for street bikes, it's currently being used on their racing machine.

I intend on buying it and mounting a plate/making it street legal. My county has no emissions standards for bikes, so it's possible. My only issue right now is what exactly happens to my warranty. I know putting an aftermarket exhaust doesn't void the warranty entirely, just on the exhaust itself. Ducati is also not liable if an issue can be deemed to be due to the exhaust, such as the motor running too hot from a lean condition. However, I don't know how the exhaust servo plays into things since it throws an error code when it is removed. Another possible problem is it might not work with stock rearsets, as they have aftermarket ones on their racing bike.

As for price, they said 3750 euro for the 3/4 system (uses stock front headers) and 4500 euro for the full system, both in titanium.
 
I'm currently having the exhaust installed, picking the bike up tomorrow. They said it sounds pretty rad, I'm super excited. Need to fab up a way to mount the license plate, might just go with some lockwire for now. Will post a picture soon.
 
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