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the irony is that I'm one of the first to turn their nose up to street racing, and straight-line racing....it's only on a good circuit where it really matters.
but I was feeling whimsical that day, and with many people (including myself) wondering just how much power my 1299 was making after being tuned, well, there was one convenient way to find out. The only bike that was close that day was an R1M with a Graves exhaust and also tuned:
https://youtu.be/OMrT1tuQwPI
it's nice to have power, but I'm waiting to track season to start and to work on skills that really matter.
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I dyno would tell you that!
Because from the video I just I never saw anyone give you a piece of paper afterwards with the HP figure on it
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This is common knowledge, or at least I thought it was:
- every dyno reads differently. one dyno may say 190hp, a different dyno in the next room may say 195hp.
- the very point of a dyno is NOT TO MEASURE POWER. It is a tool for tuners to use to optimize fueling and other ECU map parameters.
- the only real measurement can could be considered valid are baseline horsepower readings versus the final product. in my case, my bike pulled 192hp with no tune and a Termi exhaust. It gained 6hp at the wheel (which is the only valid measurement btw) after being mapped. But the baseline and final reading were taken about 24 hours apart, so even that measurement is suspect. Variation in temperature and humidity affect dyno measurements.
And if you couldn't be bothered to read that, read this:
The only thing that matters is real world performance. Numbers on a piece of paper mean nothing.
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Then you don't ride enough.
Your sitting on top of damned oven.
Try doing a few hundred miles in day on a hot summer day and get stuck below 45mph for an hour.
You will cook whether you like it or not.
That's BS.
its not subjective.
Had that parade been on 100f day your azz would have roasted period.
My first few years I never had much issue and might have agreed with you but I would have been wrong.
Doing 300 miles in a day and being stuck below 40mph due to speed limits and traffic on a 100f day and you will bake once the bike gets over 200f
The trick here is keeping engine temps below 200. Do that and your OK
That is exactly it right there.
Its engine heat not the exhaust that will cook you.
Your sitting on a stove, and when the stove gets turned past 200f you will cook.
Wow, it goes above 50mph? Hadn't realised that in 16,000 miles...
Yet another thread where everyone's an expert. Anyway, IMO it does make a difference, granted it's not significant but I find there is less heat sink with the carbon shield and it dissipates quicker once on the move. I also accept that others may have a different view.
It does help a little. Its why I wrapped mine, and having the larger CF heatshield makes a difference for canyon runs.
There are no different views here.
Your sitting on a fkn oven period, and if your in traffic or slow speed limits on a hot day and that engine gets over 200f its going to get VERY HOT
This is not an opinion here, it is a statement of fact. These bikes can be very hot if not full out racing
Why thank you! I am
You stated
I think it's partly down to the rider, and that is full of crap. The bike does not care who is on it or how they ride it, when the engine is over 200 you will cook period, and no skill level changes that.
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There are always different views.
True the bike will get hot under certain circumstances. Where your definition lies and someone else's is hugely subjective. Everyone has a different pain threshold, wears different gear, commutes or races, is 25 or 65, fat or thin, different ambient conditions etc. A mate of mine just doesn't feel the cold at all when riding in winter, I'm usually frozen. So who should 'call BS' on who? Personally I don't find the heat a problem from the bike, if someone else does I don't see the point in argueing.
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100% subjective get your head outta your ... ... is it an oven yep every bike produces heat.. weird how combustion engines do that.. does it trap heat more so than others yup.. does that ever bother me in my multitude of ride nope..
Noticeable sure, so hot that I said damn this thing is hot.. not even once.. that includes my parade in freaking july.. in noticed my clutch hand hurt was it... or coaching novice on a 104 degree day at putnam park. In full leathers going freaking 25 down the straights...
Does said heat bother others seems to be true.. so that by definition is subjective
so piss off... take your haterade elsewere
Noticeable sure, so hot that I said damn this thing is hot.. not even once.. that includes my parade in freaking july.. in noticed my clutch hand hurt was it... or coaching novice on a 104 degree day at putnam park. In full leathers going freaking 25 down the straights...
Does said heat bother others seems to be true.. so that by definition is subjective
so piss off... take your haterade elsewere
You are sitting on a an oven. That is a fact.
It is also a fact that this oven will get over 200f on occasion, and the engine and exhaust will FKN cook you period.
Its not up for debate because some azz clowns have not ridden enough to experience it.
In 3 years of riding I have hit it only once or twice on hot days riding hundreds of miles in a day. So congrats if your ...... has not experience this fact of these bikes.
Before my 630 miles in 2 days this summer, I might have agreed with you because I never felt that much heat before. But it would have been based on my ignorance.
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The Dragon Lady's ECU has been flashed (race) and therefore do not activate the fan automatically anymore so she tended to get too hot in traffic. I had her fan put on a switch and activates it manually. If she hits 90 degrees C I switch the fan on. It prevents her from getting hotter even in stop start traffic and mostly starts cooling her down. Perhaps the Pani's fan switch should be set to activate at a lower point (like I do with mine)?
No one said it is a problem
But if you don't think it is, you never hit the right conditions yet.
There have been pics posted here of OUR bikes with an IR camera when the bike is cold and when the bike reaches the fan turn on temp.
And if you don't ride the bike to the point of having the fan turn on, you just don't know what the FK your talking about.
I spent an hour on the bike this summer running through the valley going around clear lake by Thunderhill doing 35mph on a hundred degree day, and it was a beech. All other rides were tolerable, not this time. There is no subjective horse crap about it.
I wondered about that mod. And a bigger radiator.
Does that keep engine temps below 200f?
See this is the part that is utter horse crap.
When this bike gets over 200f and your on it for any length of time, your factually in error here.
You just have never rode your bike over 200f for an hour so you don't know what your talking about.
Most riding you will be fine and never have to ride the bike over 200 for any real length of time. Bit it does happen NO MATTER who the FK you are eventually
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I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the bike gets insanely hot. That part IS A FACT. What some members are saying and happens to be a valid point and that is each individuals threshold due to factors such as gear and such vary. The subjective point becomes valid because no one person knows anothers threshold for heat/pain. If I'm in full leathers and have taken all other things into consideration such as bigger heat shield, heat reflecting tape, yadi yah...then I may not feel it as much as the next guy in full leathers with a small heat shield, no heat reflecting tape, etc.
All the insults really is unnecessary. Make valid points and if someone doesn't get it, they don't get it. World doesn't stop spinning and it sure doesn't keep you from riding....well, maybe it does if you're turning into a internet thug and insulting others on a forum.
All the insults really is unnecessary. Make valid points and if someone doesn't get it, they don't get it. World doesn't stop spinning and it sure doesn't keep you from riding....well, maybe it does if you're turning into a internet thug and insulting others on a forum.
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